ArenaNet talk:Guild Wars 2 suggestions/The Divine Gambit

Two things.

One, as cool as a Cold War sounds, I don't think the gods are really disinterested in the fate of Tyria. It is just that... they have faith. Those who played through the Nightfall storyline will remember the "This is your world" line being tossed around near the end. That is, if anything, a keener insight into their motivation for noninvolvement then anything else. They have faith in their creation and their teachings. Besides, they are probably busy terraforming other worlds far beyond even the known after lives in the Mist. At least that is what I've gathered from the feel of the lore.

Two, the dragons have just (relatively) woken up. Primordus didn't choose not to attack, his general just woke up in the wake of him stirring. Same goes for most of the other dragons. They woke up, relocated if they felt like it, and then started consolidating resources. While Primordus seems to be of the world conquering archetype of evil dragon, we have no clue what motivates the rest of them. They could just be in rut for all we know.

Mind you, I do find the idea of a cold war appealing, but it just doesn't feel plausible--Ryan Galen 01:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC).

I don't get what you mean. I suppose the gods might hold back out of faith in us, but I think there must be something holding the dragons back as well. After all, if one of them can raise Orr from the sea, shouldn't it be within thier collective power to say, sink Kryta into the ocean or sear the Tarnished Coast and wipe out Rata Sum? At least, they seem capable of destruction near that scale, so why don't they just do it? That's what the Divine Gambit explains. And, since this is a fantasy game, I think we should go with the more interesting idea as long as it doesn't stray too far from the rules of the GW universe, that is.--Shai Halud 03:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, another theory: maybe the dragons don't get along nice with each other. They are currently consolidating power at the moment, and the idea that it might be against each other isn't too far of a stretch. Besides, if we use Primordus as our example of dragon behavior, they appear to want domination far more obliteration. If you want to rule the land rather then a large mound of slag, it takes an army.--75.102.128.67 13:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The Orrian dragon raised Arah from the sea and resurrected the corsairs to be his undead servants: I think a large mound of slag would suit them just fine. Also, twisting life on a large scale doesn't seem to be a problem for them. If they really want to "dominate" the land all they have to do is convert large protions of our races rather than killing them, which was a simple matter for the dragon that flew over Ascalon. And, this doesn't explain why our major cities have not been destroyed. Even if the dragons are concerned about harming the landscape, I doubt they're interested in leaving our cities intact. If they destroyed our centers of civilization and leveled our major fortresses, then we would make a much easier target for thier armies, but instead, they leave Rin, Rata Sum, and Divinity's Reach peacfully unsinged. They even let us rebuild Lion's Arch and I don't think it was out of concern for the temple of Balthazar (that didn't save the Battle Isles). It seems thier overarching goal is to multiply and prosper, and as we and the gods are an oblsicle and a threat to thier species, so we shall be eliminated as soon as that can safely be done.

But you're right, the dragons might not all be on the same side. However, they have given no indication of this, thus far, and TMotW has parts that imply that the dragons are loyal to eachother. Besides that, I'm almost completly sure that, if the dragons fight eachother, they would be too weak to defend themselves against the gods, and while the gods may have faith in us, I doubt the dragons trust the gods not to intervene. Conflicts between the dragons could only ever amount to minor skirmishes between their armies as the vie for control over different portions of the land and conserve thier strength in case one of thier rivals or the gods attack. Besides, if the dragons did succeed in wiping us out, we can expect that the gods won't take that sitting down. In the end, the dragons would need to have some form of alliance or truce between them to assure thier safety against the gods and that leaves us back at the Divine Gambit, but without the active help of the gods.

Also, even if the dragons aren't all on the same side, it's pretty clear that none of them are on our side and we could never trust any of them enough to negotiate with them as they could just level our whole civilization as soon as they're done with us. So, in the end, it really doesn't matter where the dragons' loyalties lie: one way or another, they're holding back, and, though perhaps all of the other dragons could be defeated by an alliance of the five races along with some ancient relics, Primordus could probably still wipe us all out single handedly, so we'll need the help of the gods before the end.--Shai Halud 16:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

where would have been the Utopia continent?:P - Wuhy 15:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)