ArenaNet talk:Skill feedback/Ranger/Alternative weapons to bows

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Or they could fix primary attributes. Notice how warriors never use spears or daggers? ~Shard 00:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

W/P splitter. Napalm Flame 12:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

They do use scythes, though. So nerf that too. -- NUKLEAR IIV 14:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

MUCH USED THINGS? NERF! For Christ's sake -.-.Dark Morphon(contribs) 12:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

In HA, yeah, because the only "much used things" there are overpowered as hell. See also: N/Rt, Soul Reaping, Hexway, SFway, Savannah Heat. -- Armond Warblade 13:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Armond just secured my victory. 'This was a triumph... I'm making a note here, huge success.' Napalm Flame 14:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I personally love running daggers on my Warrior with the new WE buff. With that said, if you see a Ranger not using a bow, his build is usually pretty obvious and therefore usually pretty easy to defend against. Just don't be bad and start abusing that knowledge yourself. Cedave 21:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Dude, abusing everything doesn't make anything balanced. That's like saying in WoW everything should be able to use fear and stealth. -- Armond Warblade 17:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Still. I wanna QQ every time a Ranger pulls out his scyf or dagguhz. It's the same reason Wars shouldn't use Spears. Cedave 21:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. --76.25.197.215 17:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

IMO people should be able to use weapons from other professions, but they shouldn't really be more effective than those professions using them or using their primary weapons. Also, there's a point where it gets a bit silly. Flavour-wise, I guess rangers probably use swords in real life nearly as much as they use bows, and axes maybe, but spears? And hammers? That's pushing it, let alone scythes. Rangers with scythes really do look gimmicky. Warriors, on the other hand, should probably be able to use pretty much anything (they're warriors after all, masters of generally clobbering enemies - the weapon doesn't matter!) - for example, the ancient Spartans would almost certainly have been warriors if they were in GW, but they are classic spear-throwers (in fact, most ppl would throw their spears then close to melee range with swords). Also, Dagger Warriors may be silly and ineffective (not to mention the abuse you get from playing one!) but there's something to be said for Ox-Falling chains when you have a Stonefist Insignia. :-).

Anyway, to summarise, it's good to give ppl different options for thier class/secondary/weapon combinations, but when they start to get abused (*cough* Escape Scythe *cough* Thumper *cough* Scythe Sin *cough* et.c.) things get silly and bad. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:81.107.75.156 (talk).

It was said on the wiki before somewhere but secondaries are often only used for utility. I kind of like my melee ranger. It's not really more overpowered at all. Just, attack skills cost a little less. I think off-classing is a fun idea and shouldn't be stabbed at.- Vanguard 17:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

No, actually, what you are foing is hte exact opposite of what we want the secondary profs to be. You are just abusing expertise. -- NUKLEAR IIV 17:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Bear in mind, though, that using weapons from a secondary class means you lose out on runes and headgear bonuses. This should, in theory, mean that taking a secondary for the weapon (e.g. R/W, R/D et.c.) is kinda balanced out (e.g. Expertise balances with lower weapon attribute points). However, it's often the case that the non-regular combos are actually more powerful that primaries using their own weapons. IMO, these combos should be viable (or some of them, at least), but not more powerful since that's just wrong (so a Ranger can use a Warrior weapon better than the Warrior himself?). --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:82.3.232.209 (talk).

Combos where professions use a secondary's weapons should be viable and encouraged (because it adds more diversity to the game), but they should be balanced, not more powerful (eg a Range with a bow is outclased by rangers with any other weapon).Crimmastermind 08:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

They shouldn't be encouraged when they're more powerful than "pure" builds, but I totally agree that they should be viable (just slightly less powerful, if anything, but perhaps more useful in certain situations). 82.3.255.222 20:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)