Feedback talk:User/Musha/NPC for minipet storage

far better than the original one

I like the way of realization here much more than the original Miniature Keeper suggestion. It makes implementation a whole lot simpler this way. But you should really change this suggestion's title. An NPC like this can save item slots, but this isn't a "Miniature Storage" actually. (As with the Festival Hats, these aren't stored yet they can be reproduced once they're unlocked) Also, "Hot Topic" or "My Take" don't clarify your suggestion at all ;) —ZerphaThe Improver 21:33, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Lol, perhaps you're right. But if you can figure out how to change the title of a submitted suggestion, let me know and I'd be able to change it. --Musha 01:59, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

simply move the page (and tag the old one as unnecessary redirect for deletion), it's pretty easy —ZerphaThe Improver 13:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

This looks like a kludge... Seems awkward, difficult to code, and confusing to understand. I can't fully figure out what you want done, to be honest. A Festival Hat Keeper for minipets? Do the submitted versions get destroyed? If not, then you're duping, and that's bad. If they are, that's kind of bad too. It's also quite inconvenient, as you have to go visit the "keeper" every time you want a new pet. Festival hats are very seasonal kind of items, so it's not a big deal that you go and get the pumpkin hat every Halloween, but minis are something that's relevant year-round, so you're stuck either picking a "favorite" or having to go back to craft a new one every time you get bored. Rose Of Kali 20:12, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you would be duping, but the duped versions would be untradeable and unsellable. --Musha 17:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

To put it really simple: it's a Festival Hat keeper for dedicated minipets. You show a dedicated mini pet to the NPC/Monument/whatever and you're able to construct it accountwide. Minipets you construct AND submit in this way should be untradable, so that you can't sell your dedicated minipet once you submitted it. Else you would see everyone walking around with all minipets and selling dedicated minipets will be utherly pointless at some point. So yea this suggestion isn't really fool proof. All minipets that get submitted will disappear from the market in this way. But as the suggestion stands now dedicated mini's will just be a way to have access to ALL minipets, which you then can't put in your hall, because they're dedicated and untradeable. In either way, the problem would only get bigger. Original dedicated mini's will either disappear and let alot less people be able to show them, or everyone is able to show every minipet due to circulation of original dedicated minipets. I dunno this doesn't really solve anything IMO. :P (Frizz 11:20, 16 May 2010 (UTC))

Ah wait, I didn't read it correctly. Once you dedicate them in your hall, you can reproduce them. So. A way to reproduce minipets that are in your hall of monuments. Right, that seems much better. ;P My bad. So dedicated minipets can still be traded and still will be useless if you want one to reproduce. Ofcourse this way you could sell your dedicated minipet and still have access to your minipet you have in your hall. Making two people happy. Ofcourse this way dedicated minipets will still be a nuissance in storages of people who don't have them in their hall. :P(Frizz 11:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC))

Exactly. The only thing that changes is that YOUR minipets become account-wide and can be recalled at any time, making storage for them a non-issue. --Musha 19:34, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I really like this idea! I would add that the dedicated mini you show the NPC to add to the collection should be either consumed, and/or recreated as a non-tradeable mini...remember that there is a 20 mini per district limit...not much point in having a full collection of minis that you can't even display. Further, this would rid us of the dedicated minis, which carry very little market value, and are commonly used in scams. Gwynna Vive 06:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

That's a good point Gwynna. Although, my original suggestion was to not have to show the minipet to the NPC, but rather, to dedicate it in the HoM. So, you must first have an UNdedicated version of the minipet, and once you dedicate it in the HoM, it becomes available for reproduction at the NPC (as a non-tradeable version, of course). This would leave the dedicated version of the minipet in your inventory for you to do with as you please.

However, this could definitely work the other way, too. Just like the Festival Hat Collector, you must show the minipet to the NPC to make it available for non-tradeable, non-dedicateable reproduction. Doing so would consume the minipet. This would mean, then, that you'd want to make sure you dedicated the minipet in the HoM first, so showing it to the NPC wouldn't cause you to lose the opportunity to dedicate the minipet. On the other hand, if showing the pet to the NPC did not consume the pet, then you would be able to dedicate it later.

This is why I made the suggestion the way I did to begin with, to alleviate that confusion. I think it would be best to simply have an NPC that is able to reproduce only those minipets which reside in your HoM through dedication. --Musha 17:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

There would likely be issues with minis that had been previously dedicated, or in "tagging" them as reproduceable if such an NPC didn't require a dedicated mini. It would also introduce the possibility of accidentally dedicating a mini that was in your inventory while attempting to add a mini to your stored collection if a dedicated one was not required by the NPC. The current festival hat NPC for example requires a hat customized for that player so that one cannot add a hat that they do not rightfully own. The whole dedicated minipet idea never sat well with me mainly because they are not customized and people are able to trade them and use ones that are dedicated to someone else. I do think that the dedication of a mini should be account wide, and would undoubtably need to be implemented with such a storage NPC. Perhaps this could also help remove a lot of the capacity to scam people. Gwynna Vive 22:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

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A quote of your comment and my reply to it from my mini suggestion talkpage, in case you're not watching it:

I do like the idea of being able to store many minipets in only ONE inventory space, but I still think my idea would work more efficiently for both players and server space. --Musha 18:23, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I can't quote where, but a dev has said that they will not do anything that "duplicates" minis in any way, and I agree with that. Comparing this to the hat NPC does not work, because costumes and holiday hats cannot ever be traded, but minis are a tradable resource. With your idea one of two things will happen: either the "original" mini that was shown can be traded away, essentially duplicating it, or it will have to be customized or destroyed to prevent duplication, thus removing it from player circulation forever. Both are bad, imo. Rose Of Kali 13:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

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Also, I really don't see how being able to duplicate a single mini on each of my 14 characters is more efficient for server space than storing one copy of it somewhere. I also prefer taking them all with me and putting in storage to transfer to a different character, as opposed to having to go to the HoM (or wherever this NPC is put) to get a mini every time I want a different one. But in the end, the devs know better than we do, and it's up to them to decide what they want to do with this, if anything. Rose Of Kali 14:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)