Feedback talk:User/Sensei/Purchase Legacy Festival Hats

I strongly disagree with this

While i disagree with this I would like to have a way to get the hats that were on a character I deleted and no longer have access to. Like both pumkin hats. I had them both and now I have neither because there wasnt a way to put them somewhere that didnt take up the limited storage space on our characters or storage chest. Drogo Boffin 13:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

You have a problem with the method I proposed (=buy with real life money), or with getting the hats at all? How could ArenaNet keep track of who actually got the items then threw them away (like you did, my friend did)? That's impossible I'd guess, I can't think of a fair method of re-offering the hats other than repeating them or putting them up for sale - what I think is unfair is not letting people get the hats they want (if they are willing to work for them/pay for them). Thanks for commenting. :) --Sensei 13:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Support

I support this idea. I would like to get some of the older hats.

I know that this will lower the "I was there" factor, but those that have the hats already, got them for free, so they wont have to pay. This is a plus.

Maybe a way to restrict fast aquisition of hats could be implemented. For example: I atended to Wintersday finales last year and I got 2 hats. For those hats I get 2 Wintersday unlock credits, and I can use the credits to unlock only 2 Wintersday hats that I missed. For unlocking Halloween hats I need to have Halloween unlock credits. Same for Dragon Festival. And of course campain requirment for every hat(you wont get masks from Kamadan without Nightfall or Dragon Festival masks without Factions, etc.). This way we wont see lots of new players with full set of hats and will keep the requirment to attend to festivals. Also this will keep the rarity of tengu hat(you cant get unlocking credits for that hat).--Sharkinu 08:39, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't like the fact that we'd have to pay for them but as it's an additional option, I support that. Previously Unsigned 08:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Big..BIG NO

How the heck do you think Veteran players would feel? They get NOTHING uniqe from the rest of the game excluding those hats (and the Odd Denravi sword),Minipets you ask? Sellable to other players.Ok,i DO agree that they could of saved the good ideas to this year ( i mean wtf.we get tiaras.),But the word 'Perchase' Makes it Even Worse.Ok then,Rich people and veteran people get hats? BAD.IDEA. because then u get moaning 12'yearolds(Not.me.) shouting 'I want a hat' then they're open to all due to anonamose Vote,So YOU want Veteran Players to totaly hate you? Go ahead,Im number 1.--Neil2250 08:59, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Agree

I would love the option of buying the hats I missed out on.

I too would buy the hats. Dash-X 22:08, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Easy to realize, profitable for both players and Anet

I strongly support this idea since i think the cons can barely approach the pros of this idea.

Sensei already brought up the most relevant points: There are many reasons why a player might not have a full collection of festival hats, even when seen from the point when he started playing the game. (I for instance got the Halloween hats from 2006-2008, but missed out the latest ones as well.) And although there are now NPCs that allow getting hats after the festive days, many players still couldn't get certain hats before these were released.

In addition, veteran players don't necessarily need their old hats as a proof when they started playing. I think the real valuable thing they can keep from playing these days are the memories about how the game used to be these days. (I for instance started playing about a cople of months before Factions was released, and i really enjoyed this time when even a 10/10 sundering bow string was worth a fortune and the green items from the Hall of Heroes were something special.) Also, /age will always tell them when they started playing.

Festival hats should not be any form of prestige anyways. Players aren't supposed to think this hat is for showing off with their hats and be like "look at me, one of my characters was standing in town during a 2005 event". The hats can of course serve as memento for those players which attended the event. But that should not exclude other players from getting them! Festival hats are primarily a costume that allow your character a modified appearance.

On the contrary, if players get the chance of wearing hats from events that they missed, this won't disembowel the hat as memento for players that attended the event.

I can imagine a whole lot of players willing to purchase hats from the online store that are missing in their collection. And since costume sets are already offered in the online store, adding festival hats should barely take any effort. Therefore it would represent a good and easy new source of money that the majority of players would welcome. —ZerphaThe Improver 15:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I definitely support it as well. - Reanimated X 17:24, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

It's definitely not hard to imagine a majority of the current player base wanting the old hats that they were, for whatever reason, unable to acquire from festival events. It's also not hard to imagine a majority of the players that were present at said events to acquire the old festival hats have grown tired of the game and moved onto other gaming pursuits. In which case it really doesn't make much sense to deny a, in all likelihood, majority of the current player base something they're willing to pay real money for, to appease a potential minority, a percentage of which will not even care if others are able to get hold of these items. But giving it the benefit of the doubt, a survey - like the one that resulted in the glorious seven-hero update - would give a better picture of what most players want with regards to making old festival hats available to all. Make it happen, Arena Net. C0Zm1c 22:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

My comments below notwithstanding, C0Zm1c raises an interesting idea: if ANet charge money for hats, they would get some valuable metrics on what type of artwork people enjoy. (On the other hand, I suspect they have good data from comparing costume sales to number of people playing when those costumes were released... and even the number of toons paying 10 to get various hats.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I get the impression that Arena Net have been trying to appease both sides of the argument with some of their costume designs. We got a new pumpkin head (a flaming one at that!) and the Ravenheart's Gaze is similar to the Wicked Hat. I think the Wicked Hat looks better but it's better than nothing I suppose. C0Zm1c 05:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Has to be a limit on "limited edition" items

This would be like offering an unlimited number of "limited edition" items.

ANet has (in the past) stated that they wanted some in-game items to be a reward to people for longevity in the game, i.e. items that only certain people could obtain. While I would love to have some of the original masks (most of the best ones are from before I even heard of the game), I think doing so would dilute the value these items have to those who started playing before me. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I think this is the main reason why ANet probably isn't going to make old festival hats available anymore. Sticking to their principles isn't a bad thing either, some Veterans really value their hats and appreciate ANet for that. Yet as i said before i see more cons (and more happy players) by making them available.

Maybe we could settle with a compromise: There could be restrictions that assure that the player that purchases an old hat is a veteran (who was already playing Guild Wars when the event occured, yet either destroyed his/her hat or just couldn't log in for personal reasons). This could be done either by checking the account age, the oldest character's age, or even the oldest festival hat unlocked. To add some "limited edition" flavor, all of those hats could be seasonal offers that are only available while the event where the hat was originally available took place. This would still dilute the 'nostalgic value' since wearing those hats wouldn't show that someone attended the accordant festival anymore (at least up to the point where ANet introduced Festival Hat Givers), but it would still preserve the aspect of longevity because the hats would be restricted to those that already had an account at that time. —ZerphaThe Improver 15:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

If they plan to change the acquisition method, I don't see why veterans who weren't at a festival should get preferential treatment over folks that just joined this week. Also, there's precious little prestige value in having one of the old caps; any amount of dilution reduces the benefit to near-zero, so they might as well go all the way. I'm a big fan of creative compromises, but I don't see that there is a happy medium here.

In short, I'd advocate that ANet choose Sensei's idea or leave things as they are. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)