Guild Wars Wiki talk:Elections/2007-12 bureaucrat election/Aiiane

Provided I can get enough edits in time without doing something unhonorable such as spamming "this skill rox" on 100 skill pages, I would fully support Aiiane for Bureaucrat. Not that my view carries much weight around here, lol.--Ryudo 18:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Anon said it all. Go A! -- (gem / talk) 22:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd go for this.reanor 09:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Policy Proposals - Indicative

I have noticed you have been involved in many policy discussions, both ones that failed and some drafts, (possibly some which have passed, I'm not sure). The stances and views you expressed in those proposals are often in the area of a bureaucrats work, especially ArbComm of some trouble users. Would you say it would be an accurate indicator for the type of Bureaucrat you will be when dealing with those kinds of issues? 122.104.231.28 16:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Most likely, although there are some differences in translation of roles - just as judges are generally lawyers, but are expected to take a slightly different role when serving in such a capacity. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 05:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I do not feel that Aiiane is a good choice because she often moderates unfairly based on her personal feelings for or against the poster, or for or against the person in the subject of the discussion. She has thrown out bans to users with very little reasoning other than her own feelings towards the user. This kind of favoritism in moderation is bad for many reasons and only serves to make her the subject of distain among the users for her unfair practices. ~ J.Kougar 03:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

That's a rather strong statement, J.Kougar, would you care to provide more specific examples of what you are referring to? (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 05:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

You have shown your favoritism many times, and yes, as was pointed out already, you even banned me once with no reason or explanation as to why, other than your personal feelings towards Gaile Gray. I attempted to get an explanation then and you refused to provide one, further making it look as if it were nothing more than personal vendetta. I'm not the only one either, I'm not sure they'd want to be drawn into this, but I have talked with other users (they contacted me after you banned me) who you also handed out bans to with no real reasoning for doing so, other than an apparent personal issue you had with them. ~ J.Kougar 07:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Is your own block the only example you're pointing to, then? The list of blocks I have performed is here, could you please point me to these users who were "handed bans with no real reasoning"? It is sort of hard to address your concerns when all you seem to supply me with is smoke and mirrors.

I have only blocked you once, the reasoning for which was laid out specifically here. If you thought that ban was unjust, you were perfectly able to bring the question up to the wiki in general or to ArbComm, or to ask for my reconfirmation as a sysop, neither of which you have done. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 14:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm well aware of where to find the list of users whom you've banned, but I'm not sure if the users who contacted me complaining of being the victim of similar bans that you refused to explain, would want to have their names dragged into this. I'm trying to contact them to see, but I won't draw them into this without their permission. I did attempt to get further explanation about the ban you gave me, from other moderators, but even they failed to be able to explain your actions at that time. I suppose I could have pushed it further, but I decided not to because I didn't have any pressing submissions or such that I needed to be able to make at that time, and after finishing my current projects it was just easier to wait it out that spend more time getting a complete lack of answers. I realize that if the other users in question don't want to be dragged into this my case will seem less valid, but you know as well as I do that what I said is true, so at least that's something. ~ J.Kougar 22:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

If I believed what you said were true, I wouldn't be asking for you to elaborate. Please don't attempt to pass vague accusations off as beyond question simply because you don't want to support them. If you didn't want to "drag other users into this", you shouldn't have brought them up in the first place. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 22:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually I just said that I wasn't the only one, would it have better served my argument to have ignored the others and claimed that I was the only one not treated fairly by you when it's not true? ~ J.Kougar 00:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

If Aiiane had done those things I would have a hard time believing she wouldn't have lost her Sysop powers. 58.110.136.10 06:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I think he's referring to this, where he was banned, but looking at the reason and conversations leading up to the incident, it was obviously deserved (multiple GW:NPA violations, etc.). I wouldn't worry too much, Aiiane. ;) Kokuou 06:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hm...i thought using proxies for vandalism and NPA was perma-ban-class material...or at least one year...i suggest adding that to your platform...Killer Revan 21:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I didn't use proxies to vandalize or commit NPA violations, I used my endless supply of proxies and programs like MultiProxy to effectively bypass any bans they threw at me, if the ban was unjust or undeserved (or if the submissions I was making to galleries or such at the time was more important than some argument about the quality of the work provided by the ArenaNet staff, and needed to be completed). Any thing I've ever done that could be considered vandalism or NPA violations I have taken full credit for, even if I had to do them while bypassing a ban. I'm not some coward wannabe-hacker who hides behind anonymous IPs and screws with people or pages without taking any responsibility for his actions. If I do something, I make sure I get credit for it. Sometimes I have violated the NPA when trying to get something done about other problem users, but often because my opinions often make me unflavored by many of the moderators I have NPA shouted at me when I have done nothing to deserve it.

I've made hundreds of quality submissions to this wiki, in both information and images, and the good I've done far outweighs any comments I may have made about the quality of work from ArenaNet or the times I have been attacked and flamed for making such comments. ~ J.Kougar 22:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Please do keep in mind that this discussion page is about Aiiane's qualifications for the job, not about mine. ;) ~ J.Kougar 22:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

No, but adequately proving how baseless your accusations are is perfectly fit for this page -elviondale (tahlk) 02:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you were going to attempt to start something like that, which would no doubt be a long and drawn-out process (given how much work it would be to fabricate enough information to do what your suggesting) perhaps doing it elsewhere would be best. While pointless, I suppose if you really want to attempt to do so you may. ;) ~ J.Kougar 04:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Kougar, Elviondale, Aiiane, et al., I have no opinion on who's right or wrong, but this conversation really isn't relevant to the issue at hand. I don't think it's going to go anywhere, so consider dropping it outright, but if you're really interested in keeping this going, please take it to userspace. —Tanaric 05:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Tanaric here, this is not the place to discuss other wiki users. I'd prefer to address issues, questions, or concerns people have with my suitability for the election, rather than have this sidetrack into personal debates. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 05:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I second Kougar. I've seen poor decision making. Lack of maturity. Remember the "That's beating a dead horse. Closed.", well if we can't discuss in forums, dead horses or not, then what's the forum for? Bot minded, shot on sight threads anyone? Not good on a Bcat. ~

Please keep in mind that the wiki is not a forum. It is a wiki. -- br12 • (talk) • 19:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

While this is not a forum, the same mentality shown in the forums by Aiiane when making decisions would end up here. Wiki or forum, Aiiane is still Aiiane. Bot minded, shoot on sight of wiki articles (by suggestion of Anet or not, like those threads that shall not exist) would be fine? It seems to be fine for forum topics. 200.67.45.202

Question to the candidate

So you're running to take over Dirigibles seat. I'd like to know what difference you would on the ArbComm so I'm wondering: What would have been different had it been you, rather than Dir, who was part of the arbitration in the last three cases. (1, 2 and 3.)

Backsword

1: I agreed with ArbComm's findings and resolution of that particular case. You can find some of my thoughts about such situations should be handled on the talk page of that request (specifically, the section 'Motion to...').

2: I initiated this request, and thus would have recused myself from arbitrating it due to potential conflicts of interest. (Obviously, Dirigible had no need to do so.)

3: As far as I am aware, this was not a very complicated case and I concur with its conclusions. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 02:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

lulz terrible

I will el o el if Aiiane becomes a bcrat. Just as an example (there are countless lulz):

I am Dick in this log, just fyi.

[03:22] <Auron`> bout time dick

�01[03:23] <Dick> o

�01[03:23] <Dick> sorry

�01[03:23] <Dick> was distracted by the long silence

[03:23] <BeX> i have a container of anzac biscuits who wants some :D

[03:23] <Aiiane> o.o

[03:23] <Tanaric> I support banning Readem permanently per policy proposal.

�01[03:23] <Dick> I agree

[03:23] <Tanetris> Agreed

�01[03:23] <Dick> he is utterly annoying imo

[03:24] <Aiiane> I suggest banning Readem for violating the signature policy

[03:24] <BeX> you know what else is utterly annoying

�06[03:24] * Aiiane coughs

�01[03:24] <Dick> What would that be BeX?

[03:24] <BeX> auron's face

�01[03:24] <Dick> ...

[03:25] <Aiiane> someone topic that :P

[03:25] <BeX> right tanetris?

[03:25] <BeX> amirtie?

[03:25] <Tanetris> I agree with this camel.

[03:25] <BeX> yaino :>

[03:25] <Tanaric> Supported.

[03:25] <Aiiane> IAWTCAMEL?

[03:25] <BeX> i am wanting the cookies

[03:26] <Aiiane> IRMOC - I'd rather munch on cookies.

[03:26] <Aiiane> Am I the only one that sees the inherent irony in an article on Slashdot titled "Americans Giving UP Social Life for the Web"?

[03:26] <Aiiane> *Up

[03:27] <Tanaric> Wait, I don't get it. What's wrong with Readem's sig?

[03:27] <Aiiane> mostly referring to the 'keeping it short' bit

[03:27] <Tanetris> Who cares? Ban first, ask question later.

[03:27] <Tanaric> Did somebody add another set of clauses while my head was turned?

[03:27] <Aiiane> but IAWTT (I agree with this Tanetris)

[03:28] <BeX> i think its been in there since the start

[03:28] <Auron`> it says keep it short and gives a definite number

�01[03:28] <Dick> Yeah

[03:28] <Auron`> pick one or the other :/

[03:28] <Tanaric> Readem's sig is under the 30 characters.

[03:28] <Aiiane> (btw, I wasn't seriously proposing that ban, btw...)

[03:29] <Aiiane> (btw, those btw's were redundant btw)

Now I would like to point out 4 things:

• Aiiane lacks the maturity I feel is necessary, to become a Bcrat (as well as poor decision making :/).
• BeX is awesome.
• Camels are awesome.
• How can bex fucking lose?

--Readem 23:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Wtf I don't follow? And didn't Bex withdraw? 122.104.227.205 00:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, Bex is just awesome at life. Losing in RL is baed i heard. --Readem 00:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Out of curiousity, are we making being relaxed in a relaxed environment a crime now? Considering you were nice enough to include the final two lines of that segment, I'd think it was clear that the conversation in question was a joking one. I've seen plenty of similar instances of people joking about pretty much everyone else who has a major presence on the wiki at one point or another, including some jokes about me. It's not as if we're singling anyone out (and I should note that even if we were did mention a particular user, it was because you attempted to draw out such a response towards your own name). (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 00:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I never questioned your sensibility. Even a 7th grader would be able to disregard your comment. I am talking about your maturity. You were joking about banning someone. If anything, that should make you ineligible for a bcrat position. --Readem 00:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Again, are we making being relaxed in a relaxed environment a crime now? If it is, I'm fairly certain I can find examples that make pretty much everyone in this election ineligible. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 01:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

You should be banned for insinuating that, Aiiane. —Tanaric 01:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Aiiane can ban anyone now, she cant if she is beaucrat...maybe those of you who oppose her bans should get her into beaucrat to keep her from synopse (this is not why i support her) Killer Revan 02:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

A relaxed environment? How is banning a user relaxing? That is disgusting on multiple facets/levels. Do you go to school, talk to your friends, and joke about teasing obese children? Mocking the mentally handicapped? Really Aiiane, even I expected more. There are some matters you just don't joke about (ex: Murder/Rape/Stealing/Cheating, ect). Another thing that now worries me; as Bcrat you have to make important decisions. Not waste your time, worrying about idiotic things such as a signature. Quite simply, I believe you lack the maturity necessary to become Bcrat. --Readem 05:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I make dead baby jokes sometimes. — Skakid HoHoHo 05:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I see there's no point to me actually attempting to address this in a meaningful manner. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 06:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking forward to seeing more amusing IRC conversations. LordBiro 08:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Wholeheartedly agree :D -- ab.er.rant 09:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Every time I see these ICQ posts I'm glad I stay away from it. I judge people on how they are on the wiki, not in ICQ chat. :) Biscuits 09:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

IRC :P gosh, I haven't used ICQ in years... anyone still using it? -- ab.er.rant 11:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Meh, it's all the same to me! You can tell I never use IRC. ;) Biscuits 08:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

"There are some matters you just don't joke about (ex: Murder/Rape/Stealing/Cheating, ect)." Ah Readem, Readem.. — Skuld 14:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I am surprised no one elected Raptor. Truly, this mottley crew of candidates is truly lulz. Hopes u win Aiiane, so this site can be epic ;)! --Readem 23:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I am really impressed by this maturity Readem... really I am. Aiiane, you have my vote for sure, because in my book, your A). Awesome, B). Cool, C). Appear intelligent, and D). Are excellent at moderation duties already. LordSojar 16:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)