Talk:Cult of Verata

PNJ ??

What is this abbreviation? Is it supposed to mean something or is just some kind of error and should be 'NPC'? Balwin 09:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

This whole article needs a cleanup and needs to be written in 3rd person ~ SCobra 09:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

ok, i'm guessin 'NPC' bugged rigged inside out.|Killer demonvanquish me or die trying to(just cuz ur borrin')

PNJ: Personaje No Jugador. Spanish for NPC (I'm so not making that up) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.182.2.27 (talk).

As I also speak some spanish I can verify that you are not.--151.200.23.204 00:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

one question

is the Cult of Verata a actual "guild" or a cult that follows/worship verata LordYaara

its a Npc-only guild, so no Pc can join, kai?|Killer demonvanquish me or die trying to(just cuz ur borrin')

Cleanup

I'm going to do a major cleanup of the article. Kindly review, and revert my change if it's deemed unnecessary. Krelus Derian 21:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Why make shit up if you don't know what it actually is called? If there even is a name for this guild? Typical that someone picked an awkward sounding name --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.240.71.82 (talk).

Actual name?

As Silver Edge kindly pointed out, Nicholas refers to the group as "Verata cultists" - would that be the actual name of the group, and thus we should move the page to [[Verata cultist]]? -- Konig/talk 23:03, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd say the lowercase "cultists" means that it's not part of the name. 24.197.253.243 23:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

i agree with the above - a cultist is part of a cult - it would be like calling a guild - member of the guild so i say we keep it as cult of verata edit - signing Getefix 21:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Removed the move tag. -- Konig/talk 22:48, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Bandits

After getting a bandit trohpy from them, I think that "Verata Cultists" may be just a lore classification, and that they may internally classified as 'bandits'. MithTalk 16:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Highly possible, same with how the bandits in pre-Searing are partially (if not fully) royalists. I'd bet the same with the Peacekeepers. -- Konig/talk 19:12, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Although to be more specific: Leather Belts only drop from a quest mob along with these guys, so it's more likely that coding wise, those quest guys (Galrath and the ~4 bandits) are instead part of the "Cult of Verata" affiliation, but all are merely "bandit groups" so to speak. :P Probably confusing wording. -- Konig/talk 19:14, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Nope. I don't mean the bandits along Galrath, those with one covered eye, those are clearly bandits, with a bandit model, the same as eyes of verata. Galrath himself drops the belts too. But I got the belts from Verata Cult NPCs, including Verata himself. MithTalk 21:50, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Er, I think you misunderstood what I said. What I meant was that royalist, peacekeeper, and the cult of Verata would all be bandits, but the Krytan bandits would technically be classified the same as the cult of Verata NPCs - thus sharing the same drops. In other words, mechanically, all three are likely listed with a bandit affiliation, but those that are "clearly bandits" in Kryta would programed the same way as these guys (the cult). -- Konig/talk 22:13, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

So you say that instead keeping the bandit army and use it for Verata's Cult, they make a completely new army forthem, and then used it just for Kyrta's bandits? That makes no sense. It's way more probably to use an already existing separation. They did that with all the other creatures, after all.

Considering their drops, what I think is like this:

• All bandits, royalists, cultists of Verata and Galrath's gang are all set with the 'bandit' army, and so they all have leather belt-type trophies, like many other creatures in the same Campaign that have similar trophies.
  • Verata, Royalist and Galrath's gang exist just as lore, not as programmed armies.
• Peacekeepers are just that, 'peacekeeper', using bandits models to denote that they are scoundrels, but a separate army.

Something like that. MithTalk 23:57, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Again: No. "Cult of Verata" and "Royalist" and the rest are lore only - that's what I meant (i.e., agreement with your first statement but I was expanding it). They have the same mechanical affiliation but they are set up differently from each other - a cult of verata member doesn't drop the same trophy as Ascalonian (pre or post) bandits, just as pre-searing bandits don't drop the same as post-searing ascalonian bandits. So what I was saying was that rather than "cult of verata NPCs use the bandit set up and trophy" it is instead a case of "the Bandit (Kryta) guys use the cult of verata set up" - all are bandits, but it is not Bandit (Kryta)'s trophy which was given to the CoV guys, it was the other way around.

Also, do we know that the peacekeepers are mechanically different from other bandits? Keep in mind that affiliation does not necessarily control the trophy drop (unless you have evidence that proves otherwise). And, of course, if it does then the Prophecies and EN charr are of different affiliations just as the pre, post-Ascalon, and Krytan bandits are of different affiliations (not all drop "Leather Belts" - you also got Worn Belt and Rawhide Belt). -- Konig/talk 00:26, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, we'll never know for sure without a 'scan' skill. But I don't think they are setup differently, look at all the other monsters. They have drops that depend on level. This could be the same, like the Ghosts have 'residues', the Nightmares 'remains', and the plants have 'seeds' or 'spores', bandits have 'belts'. That's something we have been using in the wikies for ages to help us guess races and armies. MithTalk 00:43, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Outside of "Oni" I don't think I've seen any NPC drop more than one trophy with the trophy changing based on level. I always figured that shared armies and/or families got similarly themed trophies mostly for the sake of less art and having themes, but that each different type of NPC (and name of the NPC doesn't mean it's the same type of NPC) is given a line or so of code to denote the trophy that said NPC drops. Figured such since the "Charr Lords" from the 2 Ascalon titan quests drop the same trophy as the normal (low level) charr and the EN ones drop something else - among a couple other examples, such as Portal Wraiths (and hell, every undead considering the shared army and the family type obviously doesn't matter). -- Konig/talk 01:22, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Even a guild ?

I don't see this mentioned anywhere.--Ruine Eternelle 13:24, 28 April 2020 (UTC)