Talk:Kormir

anyone have a better pic?--Firecrown 20:00, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

How Evil Is She?

4 Reasons Why People Hate Kormir 1. She Only Fights In One Missions And One Mini Mission. 2. After Defeating Shiro And The Lich, She Steals The Blessing Of The Gods From You. 3. She Doesnt Help To Kill Abaddon, She Stands There And Shouts Motivational Phrases At You. 4. She Steals The Chance Of Being A God From You.

Can You Think Of Anymore? Add Them On!

She lead the Sunspears into an ambush and lead to the murder of hundreds of loyal warriors.--68.192.188.142 01:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Mad Soul - "A new god is born! A god that will destroy the others and bring about the end of the world! The cycle begins again!" --24.179.151.252 10:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Kormir broke the seal on Fahranur and read the Apocrypha. Furthermore, her Dialogue at the end of the Abaddon's Gate mission can be interpreted as meaning that Abaddon's still floating around in Kormir's mind, and isn't currently a threat because he's given up. Furthermore, Kormir was able to survive on her own in the Realm of Torment and seems to be mysteriously guided, and it seems quite suspicious than Abaddon is nearly undefended in the final mission. -- Gordon Ecker 09:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, Abaddon is not very good defended, but maybe this is only because it is programmed not too hard. I didn't find any ingame mention that kormir weakened abbadon. or did i misunderstand sth here? however, it sounds weird to me that kormir first seems to be

desperate - she said sth like "some encouraging words, and we shall fight against a god?". And then, when Abbadon gets destroyed, she impulsively decides (knows) that she is chosen to become a god and runs into the vortex. Well ok, didn't the Gods say to her that they have a special present for her? —ZerphaThe Improver 20:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

None of her shouts/chants actually work on you since they only affect party members... Brains12 21:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Other than the whole stealing of our God powers thing, I also hate her cause she keeps trying to get sympathy by being blind while not letting us use Dismiss condition or many of the other skills that can remove blind T_T. And yeah she doesnt do anything other than make noise. Oh and lead sunspears into ambushes because uhh "We must take the brunt of Varesh's magic" or something like that.

Did anybody else think she was too bloodthirsty to be a leader? I mean, in the Jokanur Diggings mission, she sees the Apocrypha for the first time--something nobody's ever seen before, and she's saying how "we will destroy it." I'm sorry, but I think that Kormir is a killing machine! O.o Azalea Ina Dorada 17:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Given the way the game mechanics work, Kormir is one of the few people who could become a new god, the players have to still be able to go on to do other things, and the heros still have to be able to stick with the players in an unchanged form, which leaves pretty much no one left who could replace abaddon. Though Kormir does seem to lack some battle abilities, with the "We'll walk into varesh's trap".Tambora 01:58, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

She was never attcked by Abbadon or its minions because she has been "touched by Abbadon". Meaning she is somewhat part of the army and that she is somewhat invisable to them. Treesbyty 17:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I personally think she is one of the coolest characters in the game friend or foe. she is both a leader and a follower she takes responsibility for her actions she takes care of her people (despite the "we'll walk into a trap knowing it’s a trap" thing. we were soldiers she was our leader she was making a stand that had to be made to make the world see Varesh's true nature and to give them courage to rise up against her. In this case that meant sacrifice the lives of soldier whom lived to make this sacrifice so others didn’t have too, besides she herself was willing to sacrifice for this cause. Now I realize nobody likes to be used so your discontent is natural. But that is what it means to be a Soldier, sacrifice. (Soldier not a warrior that fights for glory and pride or mercenary that fights for money and greed but Soldier who fights for because they know someone has too. moving on) plus even after feeling the cold sting of death once and relies that if she died she would be sent to the darkest part of the Abyss because she has been tainted, she was willing to Sacrifice herself once again in the end to subdue for but a moment the power of Abbadon, the avatars made it clear that it would be a decision only a mortal could make, the decision to die, becoming an immortal lord over the domain of Abbadon was a... fluke no doubt. So to say she stole that opportunity from you I simple envy. I mean how many of us saw that last scene and said to ourselves "oh snap! his power is ripping the world apart with us in it, well I better jump in there and let the power tear me apart so it dies with just me instead of the entire world!" no it was probably more like "what the heck is going on!". Anyway that just my opinion I really thought Kormir was one of the coolest character in the game as far as what she represented and what she was willing to came as a surprise to that most people really disliked her q{O.o}p. but like I said just my opinion not really trying to start an argument.68.26.244.221 19:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)Auron Bushi

Well firstly, all Kormir does is cause trouble by getting her soldiers killed, invoking the apochrypha and then making us rescue her. It's obvious she's an even more evil form of Varesh, seeking out all this nonsense. Then, after cleaning up her mess for the umpteenth time, finally killing abaddon, Kormir does the whole Indiana Jones thing where that woman asks some gods to give her all the knowledge in the world and goes "Incredible! All that knowledge!" "I'm going into it!" She was obviously doing it for self-serving purposes (like she does for everything else), instead of trying to save the world.

"I mean how many of us saw that last scene and said to ourselves..." - let's face it, we would have kicked the sabway minion master into the vortex for being useless in this mission and when doing it in hm we would have just kicked a different hero into the mix - personally, I think it should've been Koss.

You all forget the thing she does to the players in Jokanur Diggings... She tries you make you lose your bonus... Paddymew 12:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget that when Palawa Joko regains power, she was nowhere to be found. So basically she can't (or won't, does it even matter?) even help her own Sunspears, the very people that helped her(or did all the work) to become what she is now? Aidan said something along the lines of "the people she loves will be safe forever" at the end of Nightfall. But clearly that wasn't the case. What a pathetic and useless god. Such a terrible leader and selfish person in life does not a good god make. 205.206.140.212 02:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

P I agree with ALL of you. But still she will be better as a god then as a human, gods can be selfish killingmachines that kills sunspear ghosts and shouts at you. And also, what has the other gods done to the world?(I answer myself here, bloodstones, yay magic, imprisoned Dhuum, not strong enough to kill him :P and Balthazar must ofcourse fight a ridcously big and op army with a group of 8 people. And at last, snowballfights.)--Eilrahc 18:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

She kills you in the tutorial XD - GreenEarth28

The stupid idiot got me stuck while doing Abbadon,serious i couldn't move because of the bitch -.- I hate you.95.180.76.188 21:45, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

And you guys forgot about one of the most important... in the tutorial she is a spammer if you dont answer right away xd--Batousai 18:26, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

And she is possibly the most boring, uninteresting, lame, selfish and annoying character in the series (besides King Adelbern).

Merge

I disagree with the merge, I think it's good to have the content separated and not forcing a spoiler upon someone who happens to search for the goddess of truth. - anja 19:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. -- Gordon Ecker 09:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Picture with Blindfold?

Don't we actually need a second picture of Kormir with a Blindold, since she wears one in the Pogahn Passage Mission and ensuing missions? —ZerphaThe Improver 20:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't u remember? Kormir was blinded coz of varehes demons, i think they ate her eyes

yeah, and due to that we need a second picture of her, with blindfold. the article shows her only without one. —ZerphaThe Improver 14:57, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

God forbid people play the game to find that out. 72.81.247.139 00:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Trivia (already removed, but...)

Has it been confirmed that Barbara Goodson was the VA for Kormir? (At least the name can be found on the credits)--Fighterdoken 21:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Elite Bug

Her Elite does not effect anyone exept herself, dispite the fact her eliet should effect every ally. Treesbyty 16:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

"Incoming!", per its description, is limited to party members. Since Komir is never in our party (she's just listed as an Ally), it's not going to work on our characters. Erasculio 16:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

My bad! Treesbyty 17:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

thats one thing i noticed different after the function change for "incomming!". She now does something for the players too.--Justice 19:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Truth

I find it interesting that she becomes the Goddess of Truth. Her blindfolded state would make it more sensible that she becomes the Goddess of Justice, since Justice is blind and is represented as a woman wearing a blindfold. 209.240.183.45 07:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Truth and justice seem quite related to me. Mediggo 07:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

secrets and truth are related, while secrets and justice are not imo 83.20.117.81 05:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed secrets and justice arn't related but TRUTH and justice are. Rhonin Soren 15:28, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

She's actually called the Goddess of Secrets at times - and called Truth and Knowledge at others. She's not justice because that's more or less Grenth's role, even if he is never called the God of Justice (he judges the souls of the dead and is justful where Dhuum was not). -- Konig/talk 23:24, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I fail to see how truth and justice are related. One is the correct and absolute knowledge, the other is what the correct punishment/reward for people is. It would be quite ironic, in many people's standards, if Kormir became the Goddess of Justice. The only relation to justice Kormir has is the western depiction of justice's appearance. Nothing more, nothing less. -- Konig/talk 23:26, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Wrong. To give justice one has to know the truth(guilty/not guilty). If there is no truth in your justice, well let's just say that's a reeeeeaaaally bad thing RhoninSoren 20:26, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

"If there is no truth in your justice" You just proved that justice doesn't need truth. Of course, there's a saying: Those in charge determine justice. In other words, justice is just as subjective as "good" and "evil." -- Konig/talk 21:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

what i meant with that quote is that justice without truth isn't really justice but a mockery of it. for example if what they describe happens to you would you still call it justice? According to you if someone innocent is convicted, justice is served because someone is punished. But is it justice? No because the wrong person is convicted and the truth was never revealed. That's not justice, that's a lynching party. RhoninSoren 13:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Justice is still in the eyes of the beholder. Something Kormir no longer has. To be serious, for your example, I never said that, but rather "justice" is the enacting and enforcement of the law. Therefore, during the War in Kryta, the justful were the White Mantle and Peacekeepers while the Shining Blade and Salma were criminals - this then got flipped around when Salma was in power. If an innocent person is convicted it is only justice if the person broke any laws, which means that said person is not innocent due to having broken said laws. Were the laws morally right? Again, eye of the beholder. Did the person do anything ethically wrong? Same answer. Incidentally, if you look at the definition of "justice" no where is it ever said to be the case you said. It defines it as the system or the moral concept - which, as I said, are not absolute. Truth is absolute. In other words, your view of justice is an idealist view which requires truth behind it to even exists. But it is not the real situation of justice, which is merely a system which can be backed up by truth but does not require it - and in fact, sometimes truth can go against it, for reasons already stated. -- Konig/talk 17:21, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Well i see we will never get to an agreement. I think justice without truth is'nt justice at all. "In other words, your view of justice is an idealist view which requires truth behind it to even exists. But it is not the real situation of justice, which is merely a system which can be backed up by truth but does not require it" <--This is what's wrong with the justice today. I agree that's how justice is like today and that justice is in the eyes of the beholder but that doesn't mean that's the way it should be. Why does God know everything? Because otherwise he wouldn't be able to judge you. RhoninSoren 16:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree that we won't get an agreement, to a degree. "True" justice doesn't require truth, but I agree that it there should be truth in it. And I never said justice today isn't flawed. The world is flawed. But how things "should be" is also a subjective case just as what justice is. And I find "God" to be an eternal paradox. Weird that I hate the abrahamic faiths (not those who are of those faiths, but the faiths themselves), considering I love paradoxes. Shouldn't bring religion into these debates. That's just unleashing hell. :P Also, this entire argument is moot because Kormir isn't the goddess of justice whether you think she should be or not. She's the goddess of truth/secrets/knowledge, order, and spirit. -- Konig/talk 22:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks like

Is it just me, but everytime i see her she reminds me of Christopher Walken -.- ... must be the facial expression ... needs more cowbell. Sneaker 20:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Facial expression alright. Paddymew 07:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Leeeeecchh

Leecher. What a meanie. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.12.134.162 (talk).

Leecher redirects here ;) Reaper of Scythes** 20:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

This is about the act of benefiting from other players without contributing. For the NPC most commonly associated with leeching, see Kormir. Sounds right. Blue Totoro 01:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Grammar

Dashes are not the same things as commas. Blue Totoro 22:35, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Bugged?

There are instances where she will body block you, I think this should be noted on her NPC status that she does so and youy can loose the mission due to here body blocking

Had no idea where to put all this, so

I will apologize now for posting things that might not belong here, but... Kormir is selfish beyond belief to be sure, but there are any number of things at play. First, she is the one who seems to have originally activated and read the Apocrypha, hence the quote where she says, "Will destroy it." And why she comes across (to me at least) as already knowing what's in there (she does seem to know the exact way to that room after all). She is a persuasive leader, but seems driven towards or tainted by something, as during the battle at Gandara, she tells Dunkoro that she knows it's a trap, and that the Sunspears need to bear the brunt of Varesh's dark magic. Keep in mind that she is already tainted by Abaddon at this point from having read the Apocrypha. Then later she urges the player to continue to Vabbi and forget about Istan. Then, you meet her later in the Realm of Torment (after seeing Palawa Joko restored to power, the undead king with a major axe to grind with all the peoples of Elona) where she, still blind from having her eyes eaten after the failed invasion at Gandara, continues to urge players farther into Abaddon's realm, where we finally face and defeat him. The later as an elite mission, we face and defeat presumably the last major bastions of his margonite followers and other means he used to create demons, etc. SO, when Abaddon is defeated, she gets googly-eyed at the power before her, and she proceeds to absorb the power of the god of water and knowledge, where knowledge is the key. Knowledge itself is power, and simply knowing that knowledge exists makes you tainted by default, and likely also tempted to seek it out for your own enlightenment (since most of fear comes from not knowing). In absorbing Abaddon's power (knowledge) she also absorbs him... but in doing so she also would absorb the reasons he became evil, insane, or whatever the case may be. Also consider here the part of Abaddon being a god of water, most often when I think of how water is described, it is the stuff/bringer of life, clouds, rain, snow, raging in storms or a maelstrom, dark, heavy, foreboding and claustrophobic in deep places...etc. Point being, I could argue she may be driven insane later, possibly to the same ends as Abaddon, which I offer with no solid evidence as a possible reason the 6 go silent after his defeat (Guild Wars 2). I also offer a theory that She (or Razah, truth be told since there isn't much on him besides what he says in the game) could have been born as constructs or puppets of Abaddon to affect his release through a transfer of being during a staged demise (using what amounts to demonic possession and using the possessed body as a type of Trojan Horse to leave the RoT), followed by the wiping of the ones who failed him previously, such as the vast number of movie baddies who kill their underlings when they fail? I could understand if theories about GW2 don't belong here, but these are just some philosophical musings of mine since the subject at hand, being (possibly) the full and unabridged, transfer of all the knowledge that one being holds into another, and the fact that the knowledge itself is the source of the original power... makes no sense at all. >< lol. 98.169.44.231 00:20, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

And on the Truth vs Justice thing.. The Egyptian (original) Goddess of justice on who the West's image is based on could not see the truth (blind), and could only judge by what was placed on her scale, which is why the Egyptians wrote their Book of the Dead... so the not-so-pure could fool her scale, and avoid having their soul eaten. Hence, truth and justice are not implicitly linked, and justice is VERY subjective. (Is your loved one's life worth a few million dollars in a lawsuit, or do you demand blood in return if they die early? Also, consider how many different situations that could cause someone to die early and ask who is really at fault? Then keep your thoughts and answers to yourself, because wars have been fought over that whole discussion a very great many times.) So no, Truth (The whole truth, and nothing but the truth) is absolute and solid. Where what justice may entail is different for everyone and at different times with each... which I also submit is why Grenth (acting god of death) gets the burden of Justice, because death is impartial, does not care what reason, for who or what, all it can do is take. But I digress... To the Admins, feel free to edit or move anything here to a more suitable location, I just decided to put all my thoughts here rather than making a bunch of small posts in all the sub sets. 98.169.44.231 00:20, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Player god realms

This could have been the perfect chance to give players the Guild Wars Editor and so the ability to create their own private servers. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.25.110.139 (talk).