Talk:List of other heroes

Move to ... with cross-campaign requirements

Id say move it. "List of heroes with cross-campaign requirements" is perfect in comparison to the previous 2 options. --Falconeye 04:01, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't see the need to move it. As the reason says - all heroes are cross-campaign. List of Nightfall heroes is not a list of heroes only available to use in Nightfall, but a list of heroes that require only Nightfall/are gained from Nightfall; with the same reasoning "List of cross-campaign heroes" is not a list of heroes available in multiple campaigns, but a list of heroes that require multiple campaigns. All three article names have implied meanings for concision. Konig/talk 21:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Less is often more, but in this case, the brevity is misleading without offering anything in return. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

It is as misleading as the other two lists of heroes. I'm sorry, but I see Jo issue and under the sake of consistency if this is moved then I say we move the other two to "List of heroes with Nightfall/Eye of the North requirements" as currently the titles all have the same implications and, quite honestly, if you spend 5 seconds to read the article you'll know what it is for and I cannot see why on earth we'd have such an odd name to list all heroes, which is what the reason for moving is effectively stating the name means. Or did I miss the memo that people lost common sense? Konig/talk 23:06, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Common sense is less common than we think. I keep seeing people confused about e.g. Olias in terms of what campaign is required.

The only reason I proposed this is that I didn't think it would be even slightly controversial to rename the articles to be less misleading. Combining the existing arguments on the page: there's a minor benefit to changing the name and no harm is done. The point of renaming isn't because people find out what the article is for after they get here, it's to make sure that they arrive at the right article in the first place. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 23:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

All heroes being available cross-camapign is implied, because as any player can test, they can easily add any hero in their parties from anywhere in the world. The wiki is mainly for players actually playing the game, not just for the aliens that will find our hard drives once the Earth gets frozen after the 3rd Wold War. MithTalk 23:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

@Mith: what? Re-read my reply above. People were getting confused. Real players, not aliens that found our hard drives. They saw the article and didn't think it applied to what they wanted to know. Or they got here thinking they were going to see something else. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Factions

Miku and Zei Ri require Factions only. You don't need any other campaign. You don't have to do WiK or HotN to start WoC. "Beyond" is the term for extra content added to already existing content, and WoC it's still withing Factions, you don't need anything but the Factions campaign to get these heroes. Therefore, either the page get renamed to something like "other heroes" or split into "Factions" and "Multiple campaign". MithTalk 23:04, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The wiki treats Beyond as a "mini-campaign" of sorts. It's not technically part of the old campaigns, but not its own expansion. There's been multiple debates on how to treat it and general consensus that I've seen was to treat it as its own "campaign" (using the term loosely in the same means that the BMP and EotN are called campaigns). So at most, Keiran, Miku, and Zei should be moved to "List of Beyond heroes" and at worst, we move to the "List of other heroes" (I do not think that a "List of Factions heroes" is worth it considering there are only two). I vote "other heroes" as two lists of 3 entries seems outright silly. Konig/talk 23:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm okay with "Other" or "Beyond." Two lists of three isn't horrible, but one list of six would be better.

As discussed elsewhere, there are other considerations besides which game key you need to own. After completing NF, you can unlock all heroes without a significant investiture of time. The same is true in EotN (except for Anton). In contrast, unlocking Keiran requires completion of both WiK and HotN, which means he doesn't end up in a lot of toon's party window. Arguably it's still more effort to unlock Miku...and there are tons of people who will never see ZR on their team for any toons. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)