Talk:No Attribute skill

why do we refer to sunspear skills as "unlinked skills" rather than "no attribute skills" as they are described in-game? sunspear skills are CLEARLY linked to something, just not attributes. --VVong|BA 23:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly, then I'm against the move. Sunspear skills are categorised as being linked to sunspear rank (see any of Category:Sunspear_rank_skills) and don't come under unlinked, as far as I know. So, you're right, but it's already been done. AT(talk | contribs) 23:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

the article itself describes sunspear skills as "unlinked." -VVong|BA 01:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

and crap, i wrote that first sentence wrong. edited to reflect my original meaning.

You mean "Sunspear Rebirth Signet, Lightbringer's Gaze and Lightbringer Signet are all technically unlinked, however their power scales with the ranks of their corresponding titles."? I'd say that that qualifies as a great heaping of fail. This article is about the skills from a profession that have no corresponding attribute - i.e. Remove Hex (which doesn't get better at its job, no matter what stat, title, or flag you raise). The allegiance rank skills are all taken care of somewhere else - that phrase right there seems to do a good job of explaining that. MisterPepe talk 01:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

i'm saying unlinked is a bad description as they are really linked. they just aren't linked to atts. they are not "technically unlinked" b/c they are very obivously linked. this article describes skills w/ no corresponding attribute, but the name suggests otherwise. a person who didn't know about skills being linked to atts might think that there was no progession when there is from the name of the article. why don't we just use the in-game name for these skills: no attribute skills. it's on the skill panel itself! --VVong|BA 01:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

actually, i didn't argue to ur post. u're saying that allegiance skills are taken care of elsewhere. i'm saying that they aren't. the 2nd sentence gives lightbringer skills as an example of skills that are unlinked by attribute. it goes on to say that sunspear skills are also unlinked. i'm saying unlinked is a bad name b/c they are really linked. --VVong|BA 01:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Correct me if I'm wrong - but you're saying "Unlinked skills is a bad name, because these skills are linked to a profession"? This article isn't saying otherwise. Each profession's unlinked skills are linked on the page, so there's no confusion as to whether or not you need to be a monk to use Holy Veil, for instance. I think this line:

"Unlinked skills (referred to in-game as No Attribute skills) are those which are not tied to a particular attribute. They may or may not be tied to a profession"

covers it fairly well. As for LB/SS skills, I agree with Pepe - the line he quoted makes it clear that those skills scale with title rank, and that's also made clear on Allegiance skill -- AT(talk | contribs) 02:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

no, that's not at all what i'm saying. what i'm saying has nothing whatsoever to do w/ profession. it has to do w/ a skill that has no attribute link but a rank link. u didn't finish the quote on that sentence

"some good examples of skills which are not are the Lightbringer skills."

this is saying that lightbringer skills are in fact unlinked skills. i'm saying that they are linked. i don't care that they don't have a profession. thats not what the article is about. the article is about skills which have no attribute and i feel we should state it plainly as "no attribute skill." that is all. it is a more precise definition and it comes directly from the game. unlinked does not come from the game as is demonstrably wrong as a description of allegiance ranks which this article includes as unlinked.. i'm not sure why we use that name at all. --VVong|BA 02:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding :) Would you be happy, as a compromise, with removing the references to rank-based skills? They're covered by Allegiance skill, and Sunspear skill, and LB ones could easily be moved to Lightbringer skill, so I agree that they're a bit out of place here. I still feel that unlinked is a better definition for the other skills, though, as it covers things like Deny Hexes and Mending Touch, which although linked to an attribute, don't scale and are unlinked in practice. AT(talk | contribs) 12:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

reset indent. yeah, that would be fine too. --VVong|BA 00:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

there hasn't been any movement on this lately. anyone else want to comment on the article name? i have changed my mind again and would really like the name to be "No Attribute Skill" because the article links to "unlinked" skills now links to "No Attribute" skills. we can make a note of operationally unlinked skills like mending touch in the article, or move the body of this article to "no attribute skill" and instead of leaving a redirect, have this unlinked article mention those skills instead. --VVong|BA 18:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)