Talk:Sylvari

Copyright violation

Is it possible to delete this article and then restore it to the last clean version while retaining the edit history? -- Gordon Ecker 20:17, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Would the last clean version be your last edit on the 21st? If so then yes. --Rainith 20:25, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, and apparently it's been done. -- Gordon Ecker 20:40, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Sorry, yeah, I looked at what was in the temp page and figured out the problems. --Rainith 20:44, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Concept Art

would it be possible to get a picture of the Concept art for the Sylvari? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:71.215.152.178 .

Maybe, it's under discussion here. -- Gordon Ecker 21:53, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

Until that gets resolved, Sylvari concept art can be seen here. -- Gordon Ecker 22:54, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

I saw it stated that you may use images from the Guild Wars site itself, but I'm not exactly sure where this was. So if you can find a concept art picture on Guildwars.com to use, then by all means use it. Haku Banish 16:17, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

The copyright information is here. Unfortunately the official site doesn't have any images of the Sylvari yet. -- Gordon Ecker 16:24, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

One of those linked pictures of the Sylvari concept art looks strikingly similar to a warden [1]

Birth of the First Sylvari

Okay, is anybody else suspecting Gwen might become one? File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 15:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so, it's been stated that there won't be any Sylvari heroes, and it's implied that Gwen is a hero, although she could just be an NPC involved heavily in the quests and missions, like Rurik, Evennia, Turai Ossa and Vizier Khilbron in Prophecies, Mhenlo and Togo in Factions or Kormir in Nightfall. -- Gordon Ecker 19:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I mean in the end of the game. If you consider her like Rurik or his equivalents (Togo and Kormir), something may happen to her at the end such as her becoming a Sylvari. It's been said the birth of the first Sylvari will be at the end of GW:EN. File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 18:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

That wouldn't happen to a hero who stays with you after the completion of the game. Capcom 19:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot to mention that if she's not a hero then there's no known reason she can't become a Sylvari. Maybe the dwarves start mutating into Sylvari, that which would explain why Dwarves don't seem to be amoung Guild Wars 2's playable races. -- Gordon Ecker 23:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Rofl! There have been tales of pretty races mutating into ugly races (I'm not saying anything bad about the dwarves though) - like the Night Elves becoming Naga in the Warcraft storyline. The reverse would be even funnier! If Gwen is not a hero, then there is a chance of her being the equivalent of Rurik/Togo/Kormir. In which case she will either transform into a Sylvari (like Kormir's transformation), just die undramatically (like Togo), or COME BACK TO HAUNT US AS THE MORTAL INCARNATION OF THE GREAT DESTROYER (Rurik's case, minus the "great" part)! File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 02:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed the stony-looking dwarves in the preview video, their stony shells reminded me of coccoons, and Dwarves and the Sylvari are both associated with the element of earth. -- Gordon Ecker 05:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't doubt that, I mean, doesn't it say we fight the great destroyer in GW:EN? If so, maybe the destroyer is what's making the dwarves look like Dwarves, and when we destroy them, they turn back into Sylvari. Although, it does say in the magazine that they come upon when there is peace in the world, so maybe thats why we witness the birth of the first one, because there is now peace. Calvin 02:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Also the GWEN manual mentions dwarves being "Forever transformed" by this final battle vs the destroyer. Sylvari reference?

Yep, say goodbye to the Dwarves and hello to the Sylvari. Its strange though because its only shown a female sylvari and only male dwarves...sex changes? --- Raptors

I was thinking the same thing but it seems weird Sylvari and Dwarves don't seem to be similair concepts. I guess we don't know much abou Sylvari OR Dwarves yet and they are both in for a big development in GWEN. Dancing Gnome 09:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I saw this "forever transformed" line of text too. Bad ANet! Everybody knows that fantasy RPGs are supposed to have dwarves AND elves (or in this case, Sylvari). The sex change concept will scar me for life. I pray the dwarves are not to become the sylvari! Dwarves FTW! File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 15:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

What if the sylvarii are changed mursaat.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Mpjc .

No I'm 99.9% sure the Sylvari are going to be evolved Dwarves. --- Raptors

Cute Leaf Like Sylvari's equals ugly bearded useless dwarves? oh hell no Tomoko 13:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Raptors you are so funny :P evolved dwarves ..oh man lol, read this: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World (Frizz 13:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC))

Larvae -> Butterfly? :P - BeX 23:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone made mention to the Sidhe (pronounced Shee) and quoted a game title I guess. The Sidhee are fae from Celtic lore. And all fae are evil. These creatures dont seem to have that bend to them. I think it should be struck from the article as theres no evidence its true. ~the rat~ --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:72.26.24.191 (talk).

That sentence talks about concept and probability, and is derived from what we know about Utopia (see Guild Wars Utopia#Storyline). It does not claim that the Sylvari are the same as the Sidhe of Celtic lore. It's just a little trivia note. -- ab.er.rant 02:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I like how they all talk as if it's a big thing to have another race be born. How many races are there in Guild Wars now? Why on earth do they think they'd be a more appealing to play than the Tengu or Mursaat? It feels like they just threw them in at last moment as with the Norn and Asura just to sell the next game. They just don't feel important like the Charr for example. They better make my mind blow when I'm playing as them instead of making them the new elves of something. Are they suppose to be non-violent? Are we going to see some gameplay that doesn't involve fighting from the Sylavi? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:79.67.51.255 (talk).

Hiya, just wanna add my 2cents, Dwarves dont evolve into Sylavi. Its said that the only reason the Dwarves are few in GW2 is because when they got changed into rock they were changed both physically and mentally and most died while fighting the destroyers and that the little amount left just stand there and hardly speak. As for the Sylavi they were born from that special tree and learned their peaceful ways from that Centaurs Readings/Diary, but it doesnt say anywhere that the Sylavi will be pacifists, by the looks of things they could be the next generation of rangers. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:203.59.36.3 (talk).

Generation of Rangers? Hell no! If you read more about them you will see that the way they are is not bound to the ranger profession. I find it more likely to see Dervishes and Monks then Rangers. And this talk about them being a copy of the Elves is wrong. The Elves aren't the only forest dwelling race out there. There just the most popular. When It come to similarity its stops at the forest. The elves are a ancient race that SOME TIMES resides in the forest. But only a small amount of them actually have a connection with the forest. There called Druids. On the other hand we have the Sylvari. A young and Naive race. They have not yet become corrupted by the world and there for would have a more cheerful perspective of it... maybe. All Sylvari are also connected through the "Dream of Dreams" in which they share knowledge with each other. If your going to compare the elves to something it would have to be the Asura. Arrogant, Proud and Magically Adept. Elves are WAY to cocky to be compared to any thing els.--Yozuk 09:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

There's a gread deal of talk here about how people think the Dwarves will some how 'turn into' the Sylvari. That's just silly, I'm sorry to say. The Dwarves are 'forever changed' for the reason stated above: They are forever turned to stone and there are very few left. The Sylvari are in no way connected with the Dwarves (not ever distantly). They are a completely NEW-BORN species of beings, as you can read on their page, which you all should have read backward and forward before even posting on this talk page. They came from a magical tree which Ventari the Centaur tended, along with some Humans. Any player can even find the tree in Vlox's Falls at any time! All this speculation about the Sylvari coming from the Dwarves is unfounded and ridiculous! None of that is true, and there is simply no way it could happen (we are even educated as to why that is). Read the actual info page concerning the Sylvari as a race of beings and you will know essentially everything about them which is available at this point. Furthermore, there is talk about how the Sylvari are presumably Rangers, Monks or Dervishes by nature. All of that is simply speculation and is unfounded as well! They are, as I have already said, and new-born race and have not been tainted by a world gone mad. Firstly, Rangers, Monks, and Dervishes as we know them will not exist in Guild Wars 2, so we cannot even begin to describe these majestic creatures by those standards. These Sylvari creatures cannot be evaluated by the data we now possess. They can be decided upon once Guild Wars 2 is released, and not before. They should not be restricted to a class, or summed-up on their mind-set based on assumptions or presumptions. We cannot know that much about them right now. The 'Birth of the First Sylvari' is from the magical tree which Ventari will be burried near. I am sorry to say, but there is no connection between the Sylvari and the Dwarves, of between the Sylvari and Warriors, Rangers, Monks, Elementslists, Mesmers, Necromancers, Assassins, Ritualists, Dervishes, or Paragons. The Sylvari are, to all intents and purposes, undescribable at this point in time except by Arenanet.

Ascalon Arena

Anyone notice the very Sylvari-like paining on the wall?

Calvin 02:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

That's a mural of Melandru. - BeX 02:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, my mistake. But you do have to agree, it does look very much like a Sylvari... Calvin 02:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it does, and I'm sure they will be servants of Melandru, seeing as they are connected to nature and plants. They look more pixie like than Melandu does in her murals though - bigger eyes, more childlike, whereas the goddess herself looks like a human adult, albeit a bit green. :P - BeX 05:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the Sylvari will finally open up Melandru's Divine Realm!Blackie ewilson92 12:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

How awesome would a Melandru's Divine Realm be? Like beautiful lush forest with amazing creatures and the like. Dancing Gnome 09:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah - her'es hoping that all the gods have a divine realm in GW2. I badly want Melandru's realm :) Andrik Of Ascalon 16:19, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Ye, Melandru's realm should have alot of plants and fog in the air... Garden of Eternity would be a great name I think --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Dye (talk).

maybe's only sylvari prof is rngr|Killer demon 21:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Who are the Sylvari?

Spoiler alert: The following text contains spoilers relating to the story of Guild Wars.

Now that ppl have completed gwen.. Who is the Sylvari? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:116.240.213.193 (talk).

the sylvari are plant like people born from the tree of ventari u can find the tree, ventari, and ronan in arbor bay. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:141.156.11.21 (talk).

the tree you see in the last cutscene you can find it on one of the islands in arbor bay--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:68.47.15.113 .

The ending was lame and disapointing. It's just an unsatisfieing way to make us want to buy GW2 because it didnt answer any questions at all, only set up their new product. In fact, it felt like hardly anything at all happened in the ending aside from the transformation of the Dwarves, the "birth of the first Sylvari" wa VERY lame. You just see a tree glow, nothin more. No nature spirit, no words, no explanation, it was like a trailer glimpse, short, vague and unsatisfieing. Dancing Gnome 17:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

What do the dwarves transform into? I haven't beaten it yet... --- Raptors

They don't transform its just shows a tree growing and says something like new species will come and thats just about the only reference about Sylvari in the game ~ Kurd 20:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree--the unveiling of the Sylvari in Ogden's cutscene after completing A Time For Heroes was very anti-climactic. After the reading the short tease about the race in the wiki's Eye of the North article, I thought their birth would be something woven into the story of GWEN. Not as prominent in the plot as any of the three story arcs and certainly not central as the conflict between the dwarves and the Great Destroyer, but something along the lines of little signs throughout the missions that the rise of the destroyers are releasing energies that are slowly awakening something in the already magic-laden forests of the Tarnished Coast.

As it is the "birth" of the Sylvari seemed like an afterthought, almost as if development went like this "Okay we'll also use GWEN to introduce the races that are going to be playable in GW2." "Norn-Check. Asura-Check. Charr-check. Humans are a given." "Okay let's ship this expansion!" "Oh sh*t-What about the Sylvari!" "I know let's just splice it into the Epilogue's cutscene, maybe a tree growing suggestively coupled with portentous voiceover."

P.S. I'm sure it wasn't like that, but it certainly felt like it where the Sylvari was concerned. Maybe the Sylvari aren't as fleshed out as the Norn are by now, or the Sylvari are meant to be kept under wraps until their big reveal at GW2's release. Svartalve 03:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I was expecting to go back to the tree and see a Sylvari related quest. But ... nothing. --Drekmonger 02:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it'll be in an add-on like the furnace? *hint* *hint* Alaris 14:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I was also extremely disappointed in the ending of GWEN. C'mon, is that the best the writing staff of A-Net can do? Even just going with the ending everyone expected (Transformed stone dwarves clash with the Destroyers, the Great Dwarf and the Great Destroyer kill each other, and the Sylvari are born from their ashes) would have been FAR more interesting than the worthless crud they went with. How much time did they spend on that ending? Five seconds? An entire minute? Argh, forget GW2, I think I'll go check out WOW. At least they TRY to write interesting stories, even if the game is less fun imo. ~ Kailianna Firesoul 19:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you just say WOW having an interesting story? come on man, in the frozen throne ILLIDAN GOT KILLED, but you fight him in the burning crusade nonetheless, any1 see something strange here??????

dwarfs are "forever transformed" by this it means they are turned to stone dwarfs (or something like stone) except ogden who decided to stay normal. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:82.39.38.76 .

He got brutally pwnxxored in what should have been an FMV sequence, but Arthas left him to die rather than finishing him off. -- Gordon Ecker 02:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The concept art shows that she is holding a wooden stick/weapon, do the Sylvari have any special abillities, skills, or weapons? I think the Sylvari will look like Avatar of Melandru, but not that leafy. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:80.61.115.39 (talk).

A question about one of the races

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What is the singular form of Sylvari?

Its Sylvari--SiDima 17:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, confirmed by writer Bobby Stein. --Gaile 00:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler Tag Edit

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I really don't like spoiler tags so I removed the whole "birth" thing and just stated something more encyclopedic style which to me doesn't seem too much like a spoiler and more an explanation. Nothing is really revealed anymore, just explained without any mention of the storyline. Is this still a spoiler - I don't think it is. Dancing Gnome 04:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion / redirect

I'd prefer to turn it into a redirect without deleting it in order to avoid attribution issues. -- Gordon Ecker 03:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we should either leave it as a short linke with a gw2w link or redirect it somewhere related on this wiki. I still think off-wiki redirects is a bit awkward. - anja 22:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it is a bad idea to delete this, Sylvari do infact excist in GW1 so whoever added the deletion wasnt thinking clearly C4K3 Talk 17:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Concept art question, boobs?

Whenever I see the concept art pic, I always wonder why tree people have boobs, they're grown from trees and do not give milk to their infants, so they do not have need for boobs or other human-like sexual features I'd say. --Shakkara 12:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Random.. but i might have the answer =P maybe they dont give milk but instead... give tree sap lol never thought of tht aye? --Richi2k7 22:09, 123 February 2008 (UTC)

Cause there Humanoid? ~ SCobra 21:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Male Homo Sapiens have nipples but they are useless, maybe Sylvari (male and female) is the same.Fenrid Doth

Male humans have nipples because they began developing as females in the womb, only for the production of female features to come to an abrubt halt once the Y chromosome kicked in. So there's a reason men have useless nipples; what's the reason for Sylvari nipples, eh? --Mme. Donelle 05:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

We don't know where that seed came from (in fact we don't know where any of the mortal races of Tyria came from). Maybe they're humanoid because the seed imprinted on Ronan. Maybe the Sylvari are reincarnated Druids who chose a familiar form. Maybe whoever is responsible for making the creatures of Tyria likes to reuse templates, which would also explain Centaurs and Griffons. -- Gordon Ecker 07:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Heheh. I agree with the idea of the seed imprinting on Ronan, actally; although Ventari seems more responsible for the shaping of the Sylvari, so it makes sense he would influence their appearence. I know they will pretty much have to be humanoid, but manes and tails and centaur faces would be cool. --Mme. Donelle 09:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

And hooves! --Mme. Donelle 09:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

This might completely gross you out but... actually men can also breastfeed, it just takes days to weeks of stimulation from suckling in order for the process to begin. Maybe at some point in our evolution this helped when a lot more women would die from childbirth, who knows. Look online for more on male breastfeeding. My cousin was breastfed by my uncle (yes I saw it, *cringes*). But yeah, at least there IS a purpose >_> 24.63.111.174 07:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

charr lack boobs imo InfestedHydralisk 15:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC) lol...

Male Sylvari?

Im pretty sure well have them in GW2, but in both a lore-sense and a game sense, will there be male sylvari? All I've seen so far are depictions of females, with the exception of early "Sidhe" concept art that was originally going to be used for Utopia--Raph Talky 21:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, Sylvari should be genderless -- they sprout from a parent tree which handles the reproduction of the entire race -- so there would be a single, androgenous, Ken-and-Barbie-esque gender. I fear ANet aren't going to do this, however, and will instead do the boring thing and make two clear-cut genders with mammalian sexual traits. If the concept art is any indicator, males will probably look rather feminine, but I suspect they will still be clearly males. --Mme. Donelle 05:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I think your reasoning is logical, but because Anet wants to make sure males can be males and females can be females, there probably will be Sylvari genders in GW2.--Raph Talk 01:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Aye. I rather trust ANet to take risks and do something different, but removing standard gender options from one of the races is too big a risk, I think. I just hope they handle the Sylvari appearence better than concept art currently indicates. --Mme. Donelle 09:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Some children's mental capacity can't handle a race being mongendered and idiots will just screech "LOL LESBIAN RACE", so... Anet will be forced to make two genders even though it murders lore. You can't blame them, just blame immature fucks.-- anguard 09:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Concept art for Guild Wars utopia shows early designs for an elf like race which I beleive were later adapted into the sylvari. The concept art shows both male and female and thus mae sylvari were probably always intended. I don't see how that does anything against lore, a plant is giving birth to people like creatures, science has nothing to do with this. 122.105.156.235 21:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

i'd like a whole female race it adds to their look i can't really picture a male one Zachariah Zuan 19:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

http://www.wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:SidheMale.jpg, also, they may wont call it gender, 2 sylvari types, 1 would look like females, other would look like males, but with different names and some explanation for this in the lore... - Wuhy 07:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Sidhe?

In my opinion the Sidhe concept pictures look more like Norn than Sylvari oO LunarEffect 21:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Sylvari~

They look pretty *-*! Before I saw the picture of the Sylvari... I always saw them as totally covered in leaves and bird-like for some reason (xDDD) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:211.27.129.248 (talk).

Really, they look like 12 year old girls to me and some of my guildies. Bird-like or leaved covered might have been better. Tengu for the win. 118.92.167.172 02:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Kind of dissapointing..

The concept art for these doesn't look very original. I mean, the only difference between a grown sylvari and a human i see is green hair xD We already have rangers..I hope they come up with something unique for this profession. They did a good job making the asurans and the norn different. NalanaTalk 13:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree, you can't really tell them apart from the Humans apart from having green hair and being scantly clad(though quite alot of female human armour is quite like this), I hope they don't do something like this to Female Charr. Infact the Description says Sylvari are Humanoid, but they are no different to the Humans, I'd thought tree people should be more plant-like rather than just clothing and hair colour scheme.(Marsc 23:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC))

I think a class that had something like a whip for a weapon would suit this race pretty well, perhaps summoning vines and other plants to snare or paralyze foes. --Elijah 19:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Elves

I am a little bit worried, because this looks too much like your classic fantasy settings - Humans/Norn, Elves (Sylvari), Gnomes (Asura), "Orcs"(Charr) etc :/ --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:83.25.73.50 (talk).

Yeah, pretty much. They're just trying to cover it up by making the orcs fuzzier and the gnomes uglier. I haven't liked the direction GW's story has gone in since EotN came out, it's going to be a WoW-clone both in gameplay and storyline when it comes out. --Jette 17:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't count Anet out yet. We just have to wait and see what GW2 is like.--Yozuk 05:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Charr and Asura are way more original and cooler than orcs and gnomes. Mediggo 06:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Lies are lies. Charr are fire-worshipping man-eating lions without any semblance of personality beyond "HURRRR I EAT YOU" and the terribly overused "warrior society" trope. Asura are gadget-producing supposed "geniuses" whose sole character trait is best described as "arrogant dickheads." See, this is what happens when game companies design species based on exaggerating a single human characteristic: the entire race becomes the same, and thus inherently boring. A species full of diverse members with unique personalities as broad-ranging as humans would be interesting. "Humans, but X" are not. --Jette 06:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually the Charr did have personality like humans. You see allot of this in GWEN. But you also have to remember that they are hardened and trained for battle form when they where Cubs. There Just as stupid as humans are.--Yozuk 01:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I like how they emphasized the aristocracy-worker contrast with the charr in EotN, along with the whole communist revolution theme. Although it has to be noted that there already was a race that has had this exact same theme from almost the start, and that is the dredge. I would've loved it if they made these traditional GW races (also tengu or centaurs) playable in GW2 instead of inventing new races in the last minute that have no lore or history in the current setting. --Adul 20:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

/agree with above, wtb playable margonite race InfestedHydralisk 19:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

y y margos are so win, and i thought about tengus and centaurs too... tho i think if they are gonna add more races to it in the first release of gw2, it would be the dredge - it is said in the movement of the world that they live in the southern shiverpeaks, are in war with the norn, they entirely changed since we saw them last time so.... i guess it could be them - Wuhy 07:27, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The last time we saw them, they were vicious killers of the echovald forest. Is viciously attacking norn much different? Haru 18:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Delete or Redirect to Ventari's Sanctuary

As it says. There are no direct mentions of sylvari in GW(1), so directing 'sylvari' to the sanctuary should be enough. Anyone who wants to know anything about the Sylvari otherwise can look at the GW2wiki. ーKiega123456789ooo (talk) 22:30, 2 July 2019 (UTC)