Talk:Winds of Change encounters

Encounter Maps

I took a screen cap of the location, but I don't know how to upload images to the wiki, anyone mind enlightening me?--Yojimaru 00:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

To the left of the wiki screen you have the search - underneath is support then toolbox, in the toolbox's box, there's "upload file" - upload it as "User Yojimaru <some name you want to put>" Konig/talk 00:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

And it's good ol' Konig to the rescue! Thanks.--Yojimaru 00:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Outside Nahpui

I'm not so good at manipulating the wiki, but there's another conversation between two peasants Just outside Nahpui Quarter, across the bridge. It mentions some tragedy involving some "Yuudachi family" (?) and a "Minister Reiko". Perhaps that will be explained in other encounters? Anyways, I'm afraid I mught just make a mess of things, so i thought I'd leave the updating of the article to someone else Lord Zepherr 01:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up! I'll look into it as soon as possible. Do you know what the requirements are?--Yojimaru 02:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Not sure on requirements, but here is an image of the dialogue: . -- FreedomBound 02:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I had done very quest preceding cleansing the undercity, and had listened to the dialogue outside of Kaineng, not sure if the quests or the dialogue was necessary, but i'm inclined to think it was the quests Lord Zepherr 02:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Cleansing Shadow's Passage, iirc, leads to that one as I got it before doing Shenzun Tunnels, and I saw that before the one in Bukdek. Konig/talk 02:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I've added the second dialog. I wasn't entirely sure what to title the conversation though. Is the title I chose suitable?--Yojimaru 03:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

ive done every quest till the death od the jade brotherhood guy, reisen phoenix. than i saw a small cutscene "to be continued". before that, i had a dialogue telling me to talk to minister reiko and ashu and see some vision. now im trying to figure out where to find them.

Terribly wrong location, but you hit the end of part 1's main quests. Konig/talk 06:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

well while trying to find reiko and ashu, ive seen more encounter dialogues im both harbors (the one in KC and the one in mktplace).

Dialogue 2 (outside of nahpui) didn't show up for me, is it like the WiK dialogues and they don't always show up? --213.118.52.18 16:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

ah, i think i know what happened, when i did the quest cleansing the undercity i exited nahpui quarter and went to the undercity from there, i probably activated the dialogue when i passed by. --213.118.52.18 18:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Dialog Progression Leading to Something?

Does anyone else have a feeling these encounters will lead to later content, similar to the dialog progression seen in WiK leading to the development of the hideout? It seems parallel to the patterns seen in WiK. Here's to WoC being a successful addition to the game. Cheers. -- Mythoryk.

idk, i hope so. i do recall reading somewhere that winds of change wasn't a big feature of guild wars beyond and that it would be added in 1 update. i just hope this isn't all of WoC, if it is i'm dissapointed. --213.118.52.18 14:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You probably read it wouldn't be added in 1 update. There's 3 parts. Waar Kijk Je Naar™ 14:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

probably, just finished the quest and saw the cinematic "to be continued".--213.118.52.18 16:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Kinya Province.

There's a new conversation in Kinya province as well, telling us a bit more about Ashu. Screenshot of text and location: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/derpaderp.png/

Full text:

Yukiko, Muse of Words: Have you heard the story of the missing daughter of the Yuudachi family? It is one of my favorite modern mysteries. Van Qi, Neophyte of Words: No. How's that one go? Yukiko, Muse of Words: The missing daughter was said to be a rare beauty and a source of great pride for her family. But none appreciated her as much as her father. Yukiko, Muse of Words: When the Afflicted attacked Tahnnakai Temple, the entire family was killed...save the young son, Ashu. As the story's title might imply, the daughter was never found. Some say that they have seen he, but there have never been any reliable accounts. They say she was on the streets, running, or that she was taken away to the palace, or stolen by the Am Fah, or by pirates. There are as many versions as there are tellers of the tale. Van Qi, Neophyte of Words: So? What's so special about that? Lots of people died or went messing when the plague broke out. Yukiko, Muse of Words: This is why you will never succeed as a writer. You have no appreciation for mystery, adventure...romanticized ideals! Doesn't it make you wonder if she is still alive? And what happened to her? What paths must life have taken her down? That poor, lost little girl. It's sadder than any fairy tale. (Resigned it because I made an account.) Maintenance 15:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Once you see this come back with Miku and you'll see a speech from ministry which has been moted on the main page, but I hadn't seen yet but wasnt there when i saw the wordsmith the first time. Edit: Not sure if miku is required; came back with her AND Ri and it wasnt there.

Cleaning Up

I assume we are nearing completion of the list of possible encounters for Part 1.
We've got to start working on the order of encounters now and which quests need to be completed for which encounter.
I believe some of the orders can be found within the quest texts, as I remember Kinya Province got mentioned by one of the Ministry volunteers.
I also apologise for the horrible load of edits ( and edits I didn't mark as minor edits), I'm new to the wiki and hadn't read any editing guides yet. Maintenance 17:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I've already shuffled two of the encounters, I won't be able to tell the correct order for all this stuff until I start the WoC on a second character, so I can check the encounters quest by quest.--Yojimaru 20:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmhm, I had the same problem, I've added some more encounters. I'm sure we'll be able to figure the order out pretty soon. We're doing a great job so far, the guildwars2guru forums are really enjoying these lore bits. Maintenance 20:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm that "A case for the Imperial Guard" does indeed happen after Intercepting the Am Fah.--Yojimaru 21:19, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

The Kaineng Docks encounter is available before completing Cleansing Rhea's Crater, which should at least narrow that one down a little. Should we keep an eye on possible overlapping requirements, like having to do a Lei Jeng quest as well before it turns up? Just a thought. -- Elv 08:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I got that encounter before doing Rescue at Minister Cho's, I think. Konig/talk 08:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I got the Kaineng Dock encounter before getting the reward for Cleansing Pongmei, so I attributed it for Cleansing the Sunjiang District quest. I've not done any of the Lei Jeng quests yet.--Yojimaru 22:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Finally.... finally I have all the dialogs in their proper order, unless we find more in part one... now we just have to reorganize the images.--Yojimaru 09:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Great job on finishing that up Yojimaru! It's looking all fine now, are we sure about all the prerequisites? Maintenance 09:59, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I checked most of the locations each and every time I finished one of the Purity quests on my Rit, which was incredibly tedious BTW. You're more than welcome to triple check if you want. I don't think any of the Dragonguard quests trigger any dialog.--Yojimaru 10:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) My concern is whether this page is necessary at all. Transcription of any location-specific dialogue belongs on the dialogue's respective location pages, not here. Things like War in Kryta dialogues require us to be a little more flexible because they are necessary to progress the storyline, but that isn't the case here. I'll tag this for a deletion, see if we can get a discussion going. --Santax (talk · contribs) 12:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

The dialogues can and should be documented on the appropriate location articles, but that doesn't mean we can't also have this page if consensus deems it useful (which I personally believe it is). - Tanetris 13:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

The collection of these dialogues have been proven to be very useful for those wanting to pierce the story of Winds of Change together and those wanting to experience it to the fullest. I believe this article can coexist with copies of the dialogues on the location articles as well. (Resigned) Maintenance 13:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think there's any harm in having this article either. -- Hong 14:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Encounter 10

Anastaisia (Did I spell that right?). Very clear reference. Oh! Whole Czar thing here! Nevermind. Too many differences for a big Tsar reference... Darn... I know a good bit about the Csars. (This message brought to you with four different ways to spell Tzar.)-- Necro Shea Mo 05:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't really say. Yes, both show a missing daughter when the family is slaughtered but - 1) Anastasia was a royal, the missing daughter was merely a priests' daughter (I'd assume such anyways, since only the Sai Ling Order, an order of priests, are allowed to enter Tahnnakai Temple other than nobles); 2) Anastasia was the sole survivor of her family, this daughter is merely missing, and not the sole survivor (Ashu, which makes me think of achoo, survived). Konig/talk 06:21, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

^^I'm trying to remember, but didn't they finally find Anastastia's bones and prove they were her's?-- Necro Shea Mo 21:27, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Deletion

This has been one of my most useful and frequently checked pages on the wiki. Why you would delete it I don't understand. I find it frustrating that to read the HotN dialogue and piece together the story I have to read it all on seperate pages, that is just confusing and disrupts easy flow and interpretation of the story. How else would you display this information in a way which communicates it better than this page? 122.111.177.171 13:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I can see why someone would like to delete a page like this, but then there is the War in Kryta dialogues which is the same thing, and that is not up for deletion. Also, why is it classified for deletion according to the LOCATION-template? It's not even close to being a location... I say, keep it since moving the content ot the main WoC page would only make it hard to read and understand. Winterbay 14:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

There's a discussion and a rationale for the delete tag (and explanation for why the WiK dialogues page is not tagged) in the cleanup section above, although the consensus at this early point in the discussion seems to be for keeping the page. --Santax (talk · contribs) 14:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Absolutly Keep! WiK page has survived, and this one should too. Titan Crow 15:08, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree with the others, it is more efficient to keep the event-related location-based dialogue under an event-based page than a location-based page. This is particularly important if there is any concern for spoiling elements of the event's story. Gmr Leon 16:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

As I helped construct (or rather, I reconstructed) the WiK encounters article to how it is now, I am also in agreement with keeping this. It is more beneficial to folks looking for the dialogues not necessary to further the story to have them all in one place. Furthermore, when I reconstructed the WiK encounters article I removed them from the locations' articles (and the NPCs' articles) and merely provided a "see <link>" in the section because it duplicated information. It's far more effective to have them all in one place (whether they're named encounters or not is up to debate) and merely link to them from the locations article (I bring up the locations' articles because of Tanetris' comment in the Cleanup section above). Konig/talk 16:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

So Santax, by your logic, we should delete the armor gallery page and instead put the armor in the pages of the respective outposts where they can be crafted. This dialog may not be "necessary to progress the storyline", but it does give us a greater understanding of what is going on, and since there is no in-game direction to these dialogs (a gossip npc that gives hints to where dialog is occurring would be nice), that makes this page very useful for those of us who aren't intrepid adventurers or don't want to wade through countless wiki pages and try to piece the dialogs into a coherent order.--Yojimaru 20:16, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree, keep the page.-- Necro Shea Mo 21:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

There are no good reasons I can think of for deleting this page. Aqua (T|C) 23:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I, too, am against deletion for reason already stated here. --Musha 23:33, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think Deletion is a necessity for this page. If it had random nothingness then I could see it but having useful information for players shouldn't be deleted. I concur with the above statements regarding the content not being deleted --Twilite Sunrider16:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) It's not clear to me why there's a delete tag on this article. If and when the clean-up of GW Beyond articles results in a better place to put stuff like this, great (we can move/delete then). In the meantime, this is a great one-stop shopping resource to see how various bits of seemingly random, local-color dialogue flesh out the background of the epic story as it unfolds. (Also, remember that GWW:LOCATION was written before Beyond and so might not always be the best approach.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Not unlike a database, sometimes things have valid reasons to have multiple indices if people are likely to want to search for them in multiple ways. Because a very common use-case, especially right now, will be for people to seek out the specific things that have been changed as part of WoC, it makes sense to give them a way to easily do that, which this page does. Thus the page is useful IMO. -- Sirius (talk) 04:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

As a result of the current view (over a dozen supporters of the page, only one recommending deletion), Konig has removed the {{delete}} tag. (We can perhaps revisit its necessity sometime after the final installment is released.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Encounter 7

Where is it? I've explored EVERYWHERE north of Seitung. Somebody needs to correct the location or be more specific by giving a landmark, eg: near miki lake or by kaanai caverns. Something to direct people, including myself, on how to find this encounter. --Musha 23:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Finally found it. That is MOST DEFINITELY NOT north of Seitung. --Musha 23:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

You could have just used the map of course.--204.213.65.94 23:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Doh. I never noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out. --Musha 01:39, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Undercity

There is an encounter between some Am Fah/Jade Brotherhood/Tengu here. Not sure, but hadn't seen it before now. I didn't get the dialogue >< Tong2 10:58, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

WoC Part 2 Layout

Seeing as WoC part 2 will be out tonight according to the official facebook page, we should start thinking about what we should do with the layout for part 2. I suggest we should divide our "List of Encounters" in two parts; one for "Part 1", one for "Part 2". Putting them all on one list might prove itself to be confusing, and it will be harder to see what quests are required to see the encounters. I hope we can get this going again! Maintenance 16:29, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't see how that's necessary. Part 2 will always be available only after part 1 therefore just starting new encounters found in part 2 with "Encounter 15" would be enough. Furthermore, there are only "parts" for those who are playing it as it comes out - for those playing in the future, there will just be one piece of the storyline (I would assume) much like War in Kryta. Konig/talk 17:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

We handled this for WiK and HotN by linking the relevant updates under Trivia. 75.36.183.147 17:30, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Right, we've got that settled then. Great. Maintenance 18:17, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Encounter 16

Drat, you beat me to the punch, Maintenance. I was going to name the encounter Grief and pride.--Yojimaru 06:16, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

At least you fixed some issues I had with transcribing it. I was in a hurry, so thank you for that. I am assuming that there are more encounters to be found though, unfortunately I've been rather busy, but I will get to looking for them. Maintenance 19:37, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Encounter 18 22

This encounter is rather strange. They both use female models (one uses a peasant female, the other a ministry of purity female model), but are talking about a marriage. I assume this is not supposed to be so? Maintenance 20:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that too! Who knows, Cantha could be quite progressive in that regard--Yojimaru 20:30, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Nothing strange about two women loving each other, and this isn't the first time in GW (see the Tihark Orchard mission). I assume this is exactly as intended. Arshay Duskbrow 22:05, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

What part of that mission are you talking about? I don't recall that. As far as I've known, this WoC encounter is the first time I've seen something like this. Not saying there's anything wrong with it, and not doubting you about Tihark Orchard, but I'm curious. Magi 02:43, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Encounter 23

It occurs in the same place as "An Initiate's remorse" so I didn't really feel that there was a need to upload a separate map.--Yojimaru 22:19, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Encounter 15

I had this encounter after I finished A Chance Encounter and A Favor Returned and was on my way to do Family Matters. So while I can't say for sure that you need to do both quests, I can say you don't need a later quest to experience this encounter. Balwin 19:57, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Family Matters isn't technically a WoC quest. It doesn't follow the WoC storyline; it's a side quest. --Musha 03:22, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Encounter ? Bejunkan Pier

Screenshot of dialogue: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/slipping_sleep/Untitled.png They turn hostile after the last line o-o

What the hell?

I started a new assassin character today because I was bored. After getting off Shing Jea Island, I got encounter #1 in Bukdek Byway at the end of the Marketplace-to-Kaineng City run. Needless to say, meeting a couple of peasants talking about how the afflicted were gone was rather unexpected, seeing as I'd barely started the storyline never mind finishing it. -- Hong 17:07, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Were you without others? Cuz that's very interesting... Do you get the spawns or just that encounter? Konig/talk 17:13, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Just me. I'd literally just left Shing Jea, and the first thing I did was run to Kaineng to get max armour. I've still got Togo waiting for me somewhere in Wajjun Bazaar to continue the storyline. -- Hong 17:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, still got the original afflicted spawns, no souped-up mobs or Ministry guys, etc. -- Hong 17:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Were you in nm or hm? -- Armond Warblade 17:59, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Normal mode, I'm still only 16th level after ~4 hours. -- Hong 18:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I got something like this: with my warrior it was the first time i got to the encounter point in Bukdek Byway and it started of. During the quest welcome to cantha. I was alone, with heroes, nobody else was there. Although i finished EotN, but i dont think there is a connection between finishing eotn and WoC, like with WiK. --Mann Of Light 07:01, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Experienced the "bug" with a new necro I'd just created. Before the start of the dialog, received a "You receive 1 The Flameseeker Prophecies." message. What was funny is my party stood just east of the Afflicted fighting the guards.--DaveBaggins 10:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Dialog bug in Bukdek Byway

Part 3 new encounters

Has anyone experience any new encounters with Part 3 of WoC? Dero Ahmonati 05:39, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

There's one in Kaineng Docks with a Ministry Captain announcing new laws to a group of people. I'll be damned if I knew how to edit it into the article. Here's the dialogue: Icey 22:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Based on the dialogue, I'd say that becomes active with Raid on Kaineng Center (or possibly There Goes the Neighborhood). Konig/talk 00:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I got a new one just existing south of the marketplace between 2 guards arguing about a suspect lack of corpses from the gangs members. Lokheit 10:12, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

The New Kaieng Docks dailog wont clear out for me. I've done it three times, each time waiting a few minutes before leaving and It just starts again everytime I enter the Docks.MorazaDarkheart 14:28, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Probably was just coded differently - there are some War in Kryta encounters which will indefinitely repeat (though they're random change of happening). Konig/talk 15:37, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah found the two encounters, one at Kaineng Docks and the other south of the market place. Anyone find any others? Been searching for them. Dero Ahmonati 20:11, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Located a new encounter on Xaquong skyway by the bukdek byway entrance. Two peaseants speaking about how even people speaking out against the MoP are being arrested. Dero Ahmonati 18:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Current Part 3 Encounters are: South of marketplace, west entrance to xanquang skyway, Kaineng Docks Dero Ahmonati 17:50, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Located a new encounter by brother pe wan in Kinya province. Encounter is after the raid on the monastery. 142.179.24.246 13:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Numbers vs names

regarding the clean-up note, "Needs file names reassigned to correlate with encounter numbers"

I wonder if we should move all the file "numbers" to names, so that we can list them in any order. Isn't the current numbering arbitrary (within phases of WoC...and even to a certain extent, overall)? e.g. is there any reason #16 is after #15?

Instead being called, "encounter #15," we would have "More to lose" along with File:Winds of Change Encounter — More to lose (the names might also be slightly arbitrary, but they would be unambiguous and allow anyone to arrange them by location or timeline.

Another possibility is to number them according to their pre-req: the same map above would be labeled, File:Winds of Change Encounter — A Favor Returned - A. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:23, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I'd rather lose the fan-made names. The numbers show that there is an order to the encounters, and there really is one, but the names are made by us, are unofficial, and at time just facepalm worthy imo. Konig/talk 07:09, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Two canthan peasants, miles from anywhere in Sunjiang District

I've completed:

• NM: Upto Ministry of Oppression
• HM: Upto Raid on Kaineng Center (Hard mode)
• Optional quests: Redemption for the Lost in NM and HM

They don't spawn when Memories of Purity is active, but they do spawn in both NM and HM. -Chieftain Alex 13:09, 12 October 2014 (UTC)