User talk:Hazedesunna/Ironman
Work in progress[edit]
I have set it up but not finished writing it all out and having the layout sorted --Hazedesunna (talk) 11:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- I have input all the info but I'm not very confident at sorting out layouts etc on wiki, anyone able and willing to give it a bit of an upgrade? --Hazedesunna (talk) 14:35, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Optional Variants[edit]
I have tagged two rules as optional variants as I do not believe they are currently being recognised by the general community as regular rules, but seem to be growing in popularity --Hazedesunna (talk) 13:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Move suggestion[edit]
I do not own, run or nor did I create this, so it wouldn't make sense to put it under me. Its a general information thing for anyone in the community as its a community ran thing. --Hazedesunna (talk) 21:21, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with the move. As seen on User:Infinite/Nostalgia community challenges are not main space content on the wiki. The wiki is not a platform for this, so all challenges and other community-driven content should stay in the user space. Regardless of whom it belongs to.
- The only exceptions are player-hosted community events on a large scale (such as Pink Day in LA), as they are widespread enough to have a reason to be documented as part of the game. If we set precedent for any minor challenge, this wiki opens the floodgates for more pages like this and that's not happening. - Infinite - talk 11:53, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- But did you make that challenge? I didn't make this - I claim no responsibility for its conception, its spreading or its running. I didn't write the rules, I literally just started compiling them from the community as a whole as this has recently spread like wildfire - it makes zero sense to put it under MY name when I am literally nothing to do with this except a participant. Whether people like it or not, this has grown massive recently, and is, in my opinion, nowhere near being "minor" at this stage however in the future could be archived if/when things die down again --Hazedesunna (talk) 13:38, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hey, if you have a better suggestion feel free to point it out! :) And just by moving the whole thing to your userpage doesn't mean that you're claiming anything (regarding inventing it, writing the rules or whatnot), so no worries about that! Steve1 (talk) 19:59, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- Doombox isn't registered on the wiki, so we can't move it to his user space. Under GFDL you can't claim ownership of the content, so moving it to your user space has no issues associated with it. This "challenge" exists in hundreds of variants and a few people actually play this exact variant. We can't treat something this specific as meta, either, as many players create their own rules within it. What you *can* do is move this article to user space, then create a new Ironman main space article describing the term and then linking to the challenge in your user space in the See also section at the bottom. That has merit on the wiki, as there may be players running around with Ironman (or Vanilla) in their handle and it might confuse new players. - Infinite - talk 10:37, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- I tend to agree with Infinite here, the wiki mainspace should have an article with a brief explanation / definition of Ironman, but the majority of what is on this page currently belongs in the userspace. --Rainith (talk) 16:11, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- Would /wiki Ironman automatically redirect there? as people in game are already using that as a way of spreading the rules to other players (I honestly do not know enough about wiki's tbh! Just trying to help haha) --Hazedesunna (talk) 09:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- /wiki Ironman will lead to the article explaining the term as I proposed above. At the bottom of that (not very long article) readers will find the link to the actual challenge as it will be listed in your user space. This way we both document the challenge like you have done, but also maintain the purpose and encyclopaedic value of the wiki's main articles.
- Other examples for this practise are articles such as Dagger spammer and Sabway, providing concise explanations on what the term means and how it is represented in-game while simultaneously not opening up the page to variations and exact builds. The links at the bottoms of those articles lead to more specific information found on focus websites such as PvX. - Infinite - talk 11:41, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Would /wiki Ironman automatically redirect there? as people in game are already using that as a way of spreading the rules to other players (I honestly do not know enough about wiki's tbh! Just trying to help haha) --Hazedesunna (talk) 09:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- I tend to agree with Infinite here, the wiki mainspace should have an article with a brief explanation / definition of Ironman, but the majority of what is on this page currently belongs in the userspace. --Rainith (talk) 16:11, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- Doombox isn't registered on the wiki, so we can't move it to his user space. Under GFDL you can't claim ownership of the content, so moving it to your user space has no issues associated with it. This "challenge" exists in hundreds of variants and a few people actually play this exact variant. We can't treat something this specific as meta, either, as many players create their own rules within it. What you *can* do is move this article to user space, then create a new Ironman main space article describing the term and then linking to the challenge in your user space in the See also section at the bottom. That has merit on the wiki, as there may be players running around with Ironman (or Vanilla) in their handle and it might confuse new players. - Infinite - talk 10:37, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hey, if you have a better suggestion feel free to point it out! :) And just by moving the whole thing to your userpage doesn't mean that you're claiming anything (regarding inventing it, writing the rules or whatnot), so no worries about that! Steve1 (talk) 19:59, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
- But did you make that challenge? I didn't make this - I claim no responsibility for its conception, its spreading or its running. I didn't write the rules, I literally just started compiling them from the community as a whole as this has recently spread like wildfire - it makes zero sense to put it under MY name when I am literally nothing to do with this except a participant. Whether people like it or not, this has grown massive recently, and is, in my opinion, nowhere near being "minor" at this stage however in the future could be archived if/when things die down again --Hazedesunna (talk) 13:38, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
(Reset indent) Apologies for necro'ing this discussion, but I don't see why it shouldn't be in the mainspace. This is an unofficial challenge mode, which puts it in a similar vein as survivor, LDoA, & hard-mode, albiet in an unofficial capacity. While it is community-created, we have plenty of community articles in the mainspace. A description of Ironman / common rulesets / a Guide are more than fitting for a mainspace article, especially when the article is as thorough as this. Ideally, we would have an article on Community challenges (like this, speedruns, and others), but I do not see that happening. horrible | contribs 14:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
