User talk:J0ely b

JOELY BEH!

FIRST!

OH< AND WELCOME TO THE WIKI!

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Please check the GWW:IMAGE policy about uploading and naming images. Drogo Boffin 19:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Again, follow the GWW:IMAGE policy. Your images have been moved to File:J0ely b Gw937.jpeg and File:J0ely b Gw933.jpeg; please do not re-upload them to the generic file names. --חיו Chaiyo Kaldor 19:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I also fixed your image links in your post here. Drogo Boffin 19:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep the User Image naming in mind: Remember to name your uploads with the prefix "User_<Your username>" and also to give a somewhat detailed name to your title. Something like "User J0ely b Jaypac4.jpeg" should be fine. And also remember to use the {{user image}} for pictures that are only going to be used in the User namespace. --Riddle 23:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Again please read and follow the Image Policy so your pictures dont end up getting deleted, and so we dont have to keep moving them. Drogo Boffin 17:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Not only does the most recent image you've uploaded still not comply with the GWW:IMAGE policy, honestly, it makes you and your guild look worse than whatever you're trying to say he did. You really need to quit while you're (barely) ahead. Freedom Bound 17:34, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

No need to flame the guy, Freedom... -Lena™ talk 06:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Flame? Wasn't meant that way, I just saw the most recent image he uploaded, and for every insult he's trying to point out on the other guy's side, his guild members (his guild window was open) had 3 or more directed towards him. So far as the image thing, he's had several images moved into userspace already. Freedom Bound 12:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The Corrupt Power Struggle

→ moved from User Talk:Gaile Gray

Calling [dr] Leader a pedo

Insulting Joelly via Team chat

Threatening Joel after he left [any]

As you know there are many communities Guild Wars has inside. But a major part of the community is that of the Faction based side of things. This is for owning the #1 Towns provides you with the ability to say your alliance is the best out there, and for this reason many new players will want to join yoru guild. So there are many battles over the two #1 towns.

Now back in the days of the kurzick side, I had much fun, watching new guilds take House Zu Heltzer every week, but generally everybody was friend, and a new opportunity always aroase to take the #1 spot, for anybody, and all played fair. I have been playing this game for 33 months as of now, and was introduced to the game by me real life friend. However, before I got the game I asked him if there is any warnings that I should need. He responded with "Just stay out of Jaypac The Celt's And his aliance [any]s way, they will stop at nothing to take Cavalon, and the guy cheats with bots".

Playing the game on the kurzick side, I saw many guilds turn from luxon to kurzick, for the reason that Jaypac The Celt Of would spike their guilds, or steal their members using diry tactics. But once I maxed my title I set off the the luxon side to max my title their. So I jonied [any] as it was the #1 Guild. However when I got there, I saw Jaypac be-little 12 year olds, force people to farm faction, and ruin players relationships.

Now my story is alot mroe complicated then this but this is a rough outline. I decided i'd rebuild my old guild EMP, and have a shot at Cavalon myself. I joined the MKOD alliance and we soon became #2. Gaining on Jaypac he soon leaked rumorus about my guild being bots, and because of my age put an alt into my guild and PMed all my members "Did You Know Your leaders only 14, isn't that to young to lead a guild?"

He then Pmed me vicous insults as we grew closer, and spiked many guilds in the alliance I was in. Later my guild was spiked, and totally destoryed, so i joint KING for abit then set up another one in pursuit of Cavalon. However in the mean-time Jaypac took Hosue and destoryed all kurzicks guilds in his path.

I recieve horrible Pms from him every single day, very sick thigns are said as he belittls me because i'm a 14 uear old leader. He has been permantly banned before and somehow wealed his way back in. Is Arena-Net corrupt, i;'ve heard people say they;ve quit the game for WoW because of this man. Why is he not banned? Why Does he still Play? I know pople who have handed in screens? What is this?? I will send in my screenshots, I hope every member follows, he destorys the games community, and ruined my experience totally. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:J0ely b (talk).

I gotta be honest, but you are in a way doing exactly what you are accusing him of doing, which is trying to discredit him. I am not taking sides as I don't have the whole story, but this is just an observation about your post. --Lemming 21:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

lol, people who care about owning towns... -FireFox 21:59, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

the horror.. InfestedHydralisk 22:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

What's the purpose of owning them anyway.....

stuff cost less at merchants, some few bonuses InfestedHydralisk 22:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

wonderful fireworks to annoy people. --CA Mightyblade 22:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

This isn't some crappy free mmo like Perfect World. People don't get banned for politics on Guild Wars. 99.151.143.197 04:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

this may sound stupid, but have you contacted support? :/ ~PheNaxKian Talk 17:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I know many who have, which I was I ask Gaile whats happened? Drake, the DoWn leader sent in many screenshots, yet nothing has been done. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:J0ely b (talk).

Lemming, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I've been in a guild that once chased Cavalon (and we got it, too, for a short amount of time), and this guy does far worse things in a similar vein. People, for a fact, stop playing just because this guy downright insults them. In game, discrediting guilds is a common thing (like sledging of other sports teams in the media), but it's gotta stop when it gets to players. King Neoterikos 21:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

For reference, this isn't just politics...King Neoterikos 21:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Organized repetitive guild spiking is more than enough for a ban. The problem is to prove that it came from him, and not the will of other players. Other than that, this is rather disgusting. Makes you wonder what kind of person he is in real life, and why people like that get followers anyway. I guess what sets him apart from you average scum is the ability to organize other scum into a formidable force. I will laugh when owning Cavalon/HzH becomes sort of like Presidency: you can only go for so long before you gotta step down to second place for say a month, now matter how much faction you have. Should have been that way from the start. Now, where did I put my ego crusher?.. Rose Of Kali 22:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

If this warrants a ban for him, please let me know. Thanks --adrin 06:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) This issue has been 'round and 'round with Support, over many months. Accusations, counter accusations, charges, counter charges, mischarges, overcharges, discharges... Sorry, I forget myself. ;) But honestly, it's very taxing of time and effort to try to mediate a situation where a few people simply do not like each other and try to grief each other in any way they can.

I am not going to get involved at this point because it's a long-standing and apparently never-ending issue that the Support Team is more aware of. And in truth, this space is not the place to bring charges of this kind, especially when I sometimes sense that my page is used to discredit someone else, perhaps even with the hopes of getting other players to harass the individual or group whom the contributor dislikes. :-/

@JOely -- I don't think you've filed a ticket or sent the screenshots to support, right? Please do so, and follow their advice or answer their questions. You are free to follow up with me after you've had a final answer from Support. I cannot promise I'll be able to make this all better by waving my Magic Wand (+25 to all damage types, Halves skill recharge (Chance: 98%) Halves energy use, +20 to Sparkly Goodness). :) However, I do care and I will try to help, but all in good time. Sound fair? -- Gaile 06:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for replying Gaile :) But as King Said, it does happen, there is a perfectly liable resource of infomation, if people keep accusing Jay, and so much stuff is sent in, why is he not banned? People quit th game because of him... I sent in my screen shots, and clearly explained my reasons, but they automate answers, and are still looking into my screens. :) --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: 89.242.247.187 (talk).

Please sign your comments Drogo Boffin 16:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

As I said, you need to contact Support. They're keenly aware of this issue and they'll involve me if that becomes necessary. -- Gaile 21:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Having said that, please understand that the entire team is keenly aware of this issue and of the people involved. Support Team members will take your reports seriously. So this isn't a "brush off" answer, but my best effort to get you to the right people who will deal with the matter on the primary level. If they need my assistance or input, they know my number. ;) -- Gaile 21:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I have seen both sides of this conflict for years and to be honest, most of the dergatory remarks and snide comments and plain out rudeness has been on Joely B's side and the side of the #2 Ally spot. He is not the innocent he claims to be. I have Screens of him and his disruptive behavior and his Racial remarks sent to people and i will happily contribute them and witnesses if need be. There was a big controversy today in Aspenwood surrounding this issue and as i observed from a third pov, i noticed that Joely B and his friends were the ones harassing members of the #1 alliance and also friends of his. If you do not believe this, there is a 3 hour chat log about what happened that was witnessed and saved by many people. I am not taking sides, but i see more disruptive behavior stemming from Joely B and his friend's side. Note i am a third party rep and have no relations on either side except to watch what people do , for deeds will betray a lie. And so far theres less animosity coming from the #1 spot and more so from the #2 spot, throwing insults around like they are innocent. I would just like to inform you joely b that your actions will seem hypocritcal to all, seeing your the one antagonizing everyone involved. thank you; --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Shadowzz (talk).

For the love of god SIGN YOUR COMMENTS! It's not rocket science! Put a - followed by 4 ~. Anyways, on the subject at hand, I perosnally know of this issue from both a 1st PoV and a 3rd PoV-- JayPac is an absolutely horrible person and I am stunned he has yet to be perma-banned by now. -Lena™ talk 21:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Why isn't it painfully obvious to you all that anet just bans people they don't like? There's more evidence of prejudicial bans than there are of Wasabi violating pretty much every section of EULA, and trust me, there's plenty of that. ~Shard 22:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

@ Shard - Does this include Ms. Gray lifting Wasabi's suspension on that double fame weekend? -Lena™ talk 22:20, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

@Shard -- Honestly, you could take a discussion about the weather and turn it into "It's raining because ArenaNet hates me" commentary. Here's the real question: if you have evidence against any player, why has Support never seen it or more importantly, been able to prove it? Because it's not true, perhaps? Maligning a player's integrity with wild and unfounded accusations is disallowed on the wiki.

@Lena -- You have fully crossed the lines of NPA, as well, when you attack my professionalism with false -- provably false -- accusations of some sort of preference. Do you honestly think that I would pull strings or look the other way about player misconduct? You played the game. You play the wiki now. But ArenaNet is my employer and to them I owe my loyalty and the best possible application of my skills and abilities.

All of this -- the abuse of my wiki pages and the personal attacks on me -- have gone on far too long. I will seek an admin review. -- Gaile 01:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the part of Lena's support conversation where they basically said "we banned you for something somebody else did."

I'll let Gaile ruin her own company. BTW tell Fall I said hi. Tell him thanks too. ~Shard 01:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

False? So the words of an ex-officer in ZoS, MORE IMPORTANTLY, someone who was/is very close to you, are made up and a lie? I have NOT lied about any of this, Gaile. Please do not try and say "my professionalism" as an excuse to try and call me a liar on the Wasabi's suspension accusation. My proof is someone whom knows you VERY well whom you consider/ed a close friend in-game. My accusations are neither a threat nor deformation, they are not brekaing any rules. I had not attempted to make you out as a bad person, either. If I am breaking policy by asking "why did you lift Wasabi's suspension?" then I truely do need to reconsider in trying to seek your assitance for help on your Support Teams', co-workers of your "employer", biased decisions on my behalf. I have been respectful to you but you threaten me with "seeking admin review" (in more a paraphrased wording: "I don't like how you're accusing me of this I am going to get you in trouble"), which is, well, a violation in NPA. Have a great rest of the day, Gaile. -Lena™ talk 02:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) In regards to the first part of this topic perhaps Support needs to give out some tough-love to both parties - if behaviours have according been out of the spirit of fairplay etc. If neither side can conduct themselves in the spirit of fairplay give them warnings and then suspensions. This sounds like it's completely un-necessary for Guild Wars, I personally hate porting into districts and seeing this kind of worthless non-sense going on. If it's a long standing issue it's something that's probably taking far too much of Support's time that could have been used far more constructively. 000.00.00.00 02:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for an on-topic post, Triple-Oh. Yes, this is clearly a long-standing issue, and quite frankly, Support is disheartened by the amount of time being spent to mediate personal issues. We don't have corners and dunce caps; we can conceivably give everyone a child's "time out," but I am not sure how effective that would be. Soon after this appeared on my wiki page, a ticket was submitted to Support by the other party. In the end, how much umpiring should be given? How much time should be invested in trying to build bridges that seem destined only to be blown up again? At some point, those who are reported often and are found to be involved even in seemingly "minor" issues can and will find their accounts terminated. It's not what we want or like to do, but given fairness factors and our desire to keep the game world pleasant for the players as a whole, that may be what happens.

I don't know the outcome of this issue yet. I think it's going to take some time to do all the log reviews, etc. -- Gaile 02:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Personally, if it were me (and maybe this is why I'm not in Support lol) I'd have to weigh it all up. Given that it's a long-standing issue shows that those at the core of the in-game matter aren't dropping it. Rivalry, a little bit of smack talk is one thing, one can take it in jest for what it is, but some of what I've seen in this thread is concerning, though I find it difficult to take the matter too seriously as we're only seeing the one side. Seeing as how the matter is long-standing shows that both sides may be giving as good as they are getting, an issue like this isn't long-standing if one of the sides is the innocent party, it may have started off as such but may no longer be the case. If it's a considerable length I would draw the line in the sand on the matter, if either side oversteps it a warning, a suspension or a ban. Boundaries must be given otherwise it will continue on as it seems to be.

It's difficult for me to really say anything constructive on the matter, without knowing what's really going on, I dislike only hearing one side of the situation and basing judgements on that (though I still do it from time to time >.<). That, and this may also be showing why I'm not qualified in thought enough for Support LOL.

Sorry, just rambling now. 000.00.00.00 04:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I was involved in the whole "fight for Cavalon" over a year ago (probably close to two now) and my brother is still in one of the guilds involved. I can tell you now that almost every guild involved in that is breaking rules, organising guild kills, botting, leeching, harassment, etc. Not every player involved, but almost every guild certainly. I guess it is support's job to work out who is clean and who is dirty. I came out largely unscathed, probably due to weird timezones and the fact I didn't actually care that much, but I saw what happened to other people. I can provide details if requested, but I didn't take any screen shots or anything. I assume support is able to confirm or deny anything I state once investigated. Misery 08:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

@ OP's post: I have never been involved in the "fight for cavalon" as the benefits never really justified the effort imho. However My guild did become very close to a group of people who left ANY due to them not wanting to faction farm. I have vivid memories of Any finding this out and both my friends guild and my own were subjected to repeated harassment from them, up to the point where many of my friends guild just stopped AB-ing. I am not taking anyone's side in this and I can not vouch for any persons claim but on a completely personal level, I have had first hand experience of Jay's harassment tactics ingame. As Misery has said however, all serious Faction-farming guilds are guilty to some degree of breaking the EULA with botting, leeching, spiking etc..., however it must be a nightmare for support to work out who's guilty of what, when a massive bulk of that community is equally liable of winding each other up.

On a completely different point however, Shard you and your friends issues with anet are well known and established, I'm not going to argue how valid they are, as I'm not privy to the information needed to judge that effectively (none of the admins here are), however that is not our role and the wiki is not the place to air your grievances about a user/company repeatedly. Nor is it the place to continually hijack other peoples topics. If you're pissed about a valid point send an email, organise a forum, start blogging, contact the gaming media etc.... Do not however turn the wiki into your own private hate grounds and derail every topic to your own issues. I am getting tired of constantly seeing it happen over and over again from various users. Anybody I see turning a valid topic into a wee "i hate anet/random employee" rant, runs a very strong risk of earning themselves a time out. I hate having to say things like this, as it makes me look like an anet "yes-man", but really guys the constant abuse aimed at certain users just because they are anet employees is completely out of line. Anet employees on this wiki are just the same as any other user, they enjoy no extra privileges or rights and they are afforded the same protection as that of any other user. To be completely blunt they may be afforded less protection, as if i saw this amount of constant harassment on a none-anet employee's page I would be perma-banning alot of people right now, instead of just giving this warning. In short guys, you either choose to stop this pointless insulting of anet staff, or we, the admins, will stop you. It really is your choice in the end, but either way this behaviour will stop! -- Salome 08:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Misery is right; it comes from both parties (I was in [Halo] a while back when we took Cavalon from [any]). I, too, would be willing to elaborate in the sort of, uh, shenanigans that take place. King Neoterikos 09:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Joely B. Your record proves that you have been banned for racial slurs before.

Sup Rahl? Misery 16:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

File:J0ely b Guild Spiking-Jaypac.jpeg

Guild Spikes do, infact, happen

New screenie for you. --Saberhagen (My Talk) 16:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Jay does alot of what he does via Ventrillo, and USES people (like slaves :P), to do his bidding. J0ely b 16:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

You know, you could promote everyone to an officer to prevent "guildspikes"? Honestly, differentiating between "ordinary" members and "officer" members have no benefits at all, other than to stroke your epeen if you become an "officer" member. Pika Fan 16:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Lol wow, nice pic. I've had that happen once before to my guild. I slept with an officer's gf and... he found out.... and... well... Yea.. <_< Anyways, on-topic: what Jaypac does is horrible and I am pretty sure that in the EULA it states something alone the lines of "making the gaming experience worse for other players may result in a suspension/ban" (paraphrasing, of course). Hmm... -Lena™ talk 16:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I really don't know why but I lol'd for like 10 minutes when I read all this. --Jette 17:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Sadist? (Satanael 17:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC))

Well, I was chilling on [dr] vent just the other day, when an old [any] Officer Rhapsody came up to me, and explained what Jay had done to her, when he tried convcining her Steve [dr] Leader was a pedo, I was outraged at this statement, leading me to amidiate action, and yes I have contacted support, who have done nothing, no matter how many Jay bombardments they get.

You say it happens both sides?? I have never, nor my men ever spiked a guild, botted, or made fasle accusations towards the opposing team. J0ely b 18:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

we currently reside ally-less, desperate building faction without recruiting to take down Jay when the time is right What you just said reminded me of a typical melodramatic B movie. I would be very surprised if support actually takes this seriously. Post formally, remove all the flowery language, and people will actually start paying attention. Pika Fan 19:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Jay makes up rumors about Steve, the [dr] leader.

Jay calls Joel a sh!thead

As the screenshots newly posted show, that type of behaviour is not aceptable to the onlnie commuinty, I personally think Gaile Just the one of him amking rumorus about the [dr] leader is enough for a small ban, let alone all my screenshots, I have many many more, which I keep sneding Supprot yet nothing happens, this is a small sample of what happens, ofcourse I care more about the organized Guild Spiking & Botting, but that is very well covered up by him, yet we all still see it, however somehow A-net doesn't :)

So Gail,e can you brief me, how long has Jaypac been hassling the games community, and what is gunna be done on the matter, I take it seriously as it still happens every day, the quicker the problem is resolved the better. J0ely b 19:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Please Sign your comments. Drogo Boffin 19:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The thing that bothers me is that the OP is trying to make this seem totally one-sided, and by doing so throwing question over the validity of Support. If the case was as one-sided as you're trying to say Joely b then I do question why Support hasn't done anything. Again, we only have one side of this story to go on.

I think Gaile has said as much as can be said on her part, perhaps this continuing conversation can be taken to your talk page so those interested can continue the discussion without it over-sizing Gaile's page - I think we all get your point. 000.00.00.00 21:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you 000. I see one side of the story but i bet theres alot more to it then J0ely B sasys it to be. Take this Hate you have to your own page and stop flooding Gaile's with it.~~K~~

you the thing that is hilarious about this is the one sided pms, why don't you show screen of how u harass him also? oh and lets not talk about our vent crash. or even better, pming members of revo and paying them to leave the guild. that isn't dirty is it? and really he spiked your guild? because I KNOW for a fact and actually have proof of, is of How your guild was taken down by your dear friend Jahf. You are 14 dude, and someone is making your mind to this and that because they know you can't decide for yourself. Grow up, learn what the truth really is, don't let other people make up your mind. your nothing but jahs puppet and you are naive for npt seeing it. It frustrates them that we work so hard for our faction and we are always one step ahead, no cheating, no killing guilds. I have now been in jaypacs alliance for 1 year. On both sides my guild rose and flourished under his alliance, and everyday I received pms about why I should leave and why I should join them. All I heard was people pointing fingers Jahf, you all know JAHF right has been forcefully killing guilds, making names resembling jays to blame him, this man does nothing but work for his allaince, WTB Cavalon is what they say. Can't take Cavalon fair and square so they cheat. Joel u know well enough who kicked u guild and stole ur members. yeah u r too young to own a guild, u r too young to know anything. and Jahf, stop using people for your dirty tricks, we see right through you. Grow up people.

                                                                                        -Miss Chris

(Reset indent) Gentlemen, as a sometimes member of RageQuit, a guild spanning many years and many games, I have seen more inter-guild politics then many of you can imagine. This bredth of experience allows me to share with you all the following knowledge- none of you are innocent. This situation cannot and will not be resolved by Support. If you continue to insist on bans, and Support gives in (I believe they won't), both sides of the conflict will be penalized. None of you will like the results. This I promise.

I will also tell you this- every complaint you make, every accusation you level, every handful of mud you sling will not help your "cause". You will only succeed in making bystanders dislike you. You will look petty, childish, and immature. What's more, you will unintentionally bias the people to whom you look for support against you. The issue is known to Support, and the issue is known to Gaile. If they are wise- and I believe that they are- they will not act, but if you continue to berate and degrade each other like a bunch of simpering ninnies, then who could blame them if bans are given?

Continue this argument here at your own risk. Be warned, you're only hurting yourselves. Felix Omni 22:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) This topic I feel is over-grown and to save space on Gaile's page before this turns into some kind of 'he said she said' discussion I've directed it. Original topic is here. If this is questionable a Sysop can undo it. 000.00.00.00 22:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, this whole topic is clearly a continuation of some major in game drama that has been going on for a while, any further defamations of character whether proven or not will be considered a personal attack and unconstructive discussion. --Lemming 01:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

WOAH RIGHT THERE! Miss Chris. Good one. I was intimately involved with the spiking of [EMP], and I know it inside and out. DO NOT blame it on Jahf. I know everything about the spike. --Saberhagen (My Talk) 16:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)