User talk:Raine Valen/Musings/Michelle

Nice thread you have here. You consider power over anything else. How about professions that uses trickery (mines,traps,counters,denial,punishment,spy,sneaky,etc.) to kill? Do you consider them to be Aggressive too? --ShadowFog 17:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

We're complete opposites. I prefer to survive first, then fight. I suppose you'd be using Fire Magic where I use Earth Magic. 145.94.74.23 21:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

No, I'd prefer aggressive snares. Water magic is hands-down my favorite. Raine - talk 08:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

If they are dead, you don't have to snare them. Misery 08:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thing is, you can kite out of casting range of a fire ele. Water doesn't give you that option. And Shatterstone makes things die (GoI Shatterstone Steam Freezing Gust Glowing Ice = 430 damage spike (~475 with Burning), for great justice). Combine that with a melee spike (which is easy, considering that your target is probably snared) and you've got a just-about-guaranteed kill. Raine - talk 08:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

You can kite out of casting range of a water ele, too. That's sort of why it's called casting range. -Auron 13:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The point hes trying to make is that in low lvl pvp you cant kite out of it because you're snared.In high lvl pvp (gvg) its something different Lilondra *gale* 20:31, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

You know that no one's talking about technicalities; why are you doing that? Raine - talk 23:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I trolled, then Auron followed suit =/ Misery 23:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't troll me; I'm naïve and vulnerable. =/ Raine - talk 00:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Some ranger dshotted my Freezing Gust (QQ). I killed him with Shatterstone & Glowing: "I snare... with Death!" That was so win. Take THAT, rangers! Raine - talk 14:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Based on your description of pushing people around in Rappelz, it sounds like your aversion to winning with imba gimmicks developed sometime later. :P STALWART 09:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

How do you define a gimmick? I know what you describe is often viewed as a gimmick, but in Random Arenas, it can also be viewed as bad luck. Due to the randomness, there will always be uneven matches. Had you happened to have teamed up with a Peace and Harmony monk, or even just a player with Expel Hexes, they would have had a tough time beating you. Without it, you have a tough time beating them. Are both builds gimmicks? 145.94.74.23 12:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The thing is, running P&H puts your team at a disadvantage (considering that you could have had a less-niche elite on your monk) against any non-hexway. On top of that, even against a hexway, you lose the massive heals to make up for the Defile Defenses and such that they throw at you. So any monk running P&H in 4v4 is somewhat gimmicky, in that they're playing buildwars. A midliner with Expel is doing the same thing, to some extent. When your wins/losses stop being about player skill and you can say "I won because I brought x skill," there's usually some sort of gimmickry involved. Raine - talk 14:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Everything in that game was an imba gimmick, tbh. I guess that's why I appreciate the capacity to have balance in this game... It's a pity that anet continually moves further from that. Raine - talk 14:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Sirens were in no way imba. Amirite? Prose 20:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Maintainable Wail of Doom + Icy Shackles in one skill is balanced, amirite? Raine - talk 20:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Except you can't remove it at all, can't really stop it unless you're pr0, and it's not like it's just barely maintainable, 20 second duration/30 recharge FTW. Oh, and the other debuffs.

This pet removes up to three other players from the game, hits for more damage than you do, and has 80% evasion. Oh, and it's the sexiest one in the game. Prose 20:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

How about a full-scale rspike... from one person? That's pretty balanced! Or, ooh! Immediately becoming COMPLETELY IMMUNE TO ALL ATTACK FORVER AT WILL? Assassins were so hax. Balanced game is balanced. Raine - talk 20:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

No, clerics were hax and too good at dueling. -__- Prose 21:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I love my cleric, kthx. Earth Spear FTW. Raine - talk 21:09, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

apex

are nobodies. There's no such thing as apex honor. -Auron 02:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

[apex] honor would be the lack thereof; I thought I made that clear... I'll look at it again. Raine - talk 02:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Affixing "honor" to a guild tag first requires that the guild isn't a bunch of nobodies. -Auron 03:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Biased bias is biased. Logical logic is logical. Ironic irony is ironic. And sarcastic sarcasm is sarcastic. Raine - talk 05:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Abused meme is abused. Vili 05:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I used it over 9000 times! That's madness! No, wait... That! Is! SPARTA!!!! lol, saying that made me JIZZ IN MY PANTS!! (What's that from, anyway?) (Also, LMAO!)

On a mostly unrelated topic, I'll abuse whatever I bloody feel like, thank you. Raine - talk 06:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

You had a sex change? Vili 07:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Much obliged. Raine - talk 07:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

R. O. F. L. I'll never be able to eat grapes without thinking about that... Raine - talk 07:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I guess I should stop being silly and actually respond to the topic at hand. "You're the bottom of the barrel, honey, and I'm scraping it" was perfectly accurate, and I intended the inclusion of that reference intentionally. [apex] and [DF] are (were) opposite extremes in that regard, and I think including [apex] there helped to make my point stringer: gimmickry isn't good, and I don't condone it. I supposed [GANK] or [ttgr] would've also fit in to create the proper contrast, but I used [apex] because the person whom I quoted used [apex]. Once again, "[apex] honor" is roughly equal to "lol honor wat" in context, somewhat of an oxymoron.

I don't think the point is any less valid for choice of bottom-of-barrel guild; that was the point. Also, I made some small changes to make the sarcasm more obvious. Raine - talk 07:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

the 2nd part made me realise i <3 you xD Lilondra *Poke* 15:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

DF

You have to make sure you specify pre-White Wasabi-11,000 ecto-purchase-now-bad-DF against when DF was a real guild with some of the best players in the game. You know, back when the game was about skill not "buying the baseball team because I don't play baseball but I think I should be a famous baseball player" as it is now.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 21:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Example: [1]--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 21:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow... I always knew that skill(experience) only meant something if it can be backed up with balance but with skills(SF and stuff), is like anyone can grab a bazooka and call themselves master. Im still wondering why they never seem to nerf nor buff the correct skills.--ShadowFog 21:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)