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June 21, 2012

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A bit of ambiguous RE: the dervish update: the Avatar of Dwayna skill does the same thing that it did before. The only difference is that it now removes a hex on attack skill use, instead of on derv enchant cast. I think the wording of the update makes it almost seem like the ENTIRE thing got replaced with just "removes hex on attack skill use, nothing else", but I'd be more than willing to accept that that's just me. 69.249.223.63 00:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree with u --Combatter 08:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Now appears

So I do not currently see Noblewoman Sun Li in Shing Jea AE1. Perhaps she's coming with the festival..? It says "now appears", so possible bug? 100.43.121.226 00:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I think it was meant to say that she will appear with the festival. -- FreedomBound 01:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

That has been confirmed. Tub 11:24, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Nerf

So is Avatar of Dwayna now the most worthless elite? If they don't want us to use a skill, why not just remove it from the game? --Sonyareanne 01:50, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I think you've misread the update (it's not very clear though). The healing when dervish enchantments end is still there. Only the condition for hex removal was changed. Toraen 02:32, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

For additional clarity, this update changed Avatar of Dwayna from removing a hex when casting a dervish enchantment TO using a dervish attack skill to remove a hex. All other parts of this skill remain the same. --Elven Chaos 03:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Skill Changes

Why this? there was nothing wrong with these skills before, in fact most of them were rarely seen in pvp (besides leech sig and forceful), and not used at all in pve. There are so many other skills that needed revision, why are they bothering with this? The Only Warrior 03:47, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

All of those changes were targeted at GvG. These three builds specifically. Not to say that other skills don't need adjustment (they definitely do), but game modes you don't play will still receive balance updates. Toraen 04:28, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

people still GvG ? 94.5.171.57 08:48, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Press B during a peak time, yes lots of people still GvG. Random Weird Guy 09:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the Leech Sig nerf affects many Hero-Builds in PvE, which use Power Leech and Leech Signet for energy management. This makes healing monks even less viable than before - N/x or E/Mo just last longer. Tub 11:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Power Leech is a waste of an elite, Power Drain is more commonly used in combination with Waste Not, Want Not. Leech Signet was always poor for hero energy management, because they interrupt any skill with it and not just spells. Random Weird Guy 13:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Everything nerfed was aimed at PvP, the A-Net clowns did not bother to balance PvE over farming skills, like SHADOW FORM, i mean shadow form has been reigning champ for how lonh now?...its more O.P then Ursan, and Ursan didn't last this long--124.178.45.217 14:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Probably because they don't want to lose alot of their users when it would be nerfed. Da Mystic Reaper 16:51, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I think it's more likely because overpowered PvP skills ruin the fun for other players, whereas farming doesn't really ruin the fun for others (just the economy). Random Weird Guy 17:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Tub, my hero monk builds had been using both Power Drain and Leech Signet, for a very long time. I suggest ANet to split this to PvE = 20s recharge and PvP = 30s recharge. Yoshida Keiji talk 07:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

@ Random Weird Guy, the shadow form does effect the fun other players are having, do you sit in ToA in see how many people a day "LFG Non SC UW/FoWsc), and PvP is more dead then PvE expecially in the SC criteria, @Damysticreaper, they would not lose these users, they'd lose them users farming the 1 area everyday, face it Shadowform has been reigning champion in Highend solo's/SC's for way to long now, and as i saidm ursan wasnt this good and they nerfed it to hell ALOT quicker and ursan wasnt even proffession specific --58.167.232.246 09:04, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Well they just made Ethereal Burden a waste of time. There was absolutely no need to nerf that skill. I was probably the only mesmer in RA who used it. The skill was certainly not over-powered and it was a handy way of getting some energy while keeping mele away from me. Seems like Anet like to nerf anything that gets used that was not part of the meta. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 46.246.88.186 (talk) at 21:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC).

As said above, this was a GvG-based update. Etheral/Kitah's Burden were used quite a bit there. Debate over whether illusion mesmers should have been nerfed so much, I'll leave to people who actually GvG/obs. Toraen 03:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Avatar of Dwayna

YES!!! They brought back the best part of that elite! Now I can bring back my old build! I <3 ANet. --Lustre Of Havoc 話 03:49, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Update

Added four coin items that, according to the text, will be able to be traded for your choice of Dragon Festival mask, your choice of Halloween/Wintersday accessory, and your choice of Lunar Festival miniature. Along with bags that contain a random selection of festival items. MadMaxx 04:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

i hope youre trollin. because while i regret not getting some of the past masks. ive always liked that they are only available at specific times and if you miss it youre sol. 173.58.172.182 04:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

From the update page itself: "Imperial Supply Master Kagno now exchanges Imperial Mask Tokens for festival masks from years past." --Silver Edge 04:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

since when was the old minis available with the new items, im not complaining I only need celestial pig, but I dont recall seeing this anywhere. Spark-TBa 06:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

That information was most likely retrieved from the gw.dat. --Silver Edge 06:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

If you can get any celestial mini from years past for a token, howmad are all those people hoarding cele pigs going to be. 24.107.69.223 08:10, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

So Guild Wars has been totally abandoned to the extent that they can't even be bothered to make a new Dragon mask lol ... no new 7th year mini's was bad enough /sigh 94.5.171.57 08:47, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Now I wonder if is 1 Imperial Mask Token per hat or is a specific amount of tokens for each hat. Is going to be interesting to see people crying that you can get enough tokens from one event weekend to be able to buy a 2005-2006 festival hat and all they can get is a last year hat which they already have :)) --Sharkinu 09:07, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

"Added four coin items that, according to the text, will be able to be traded for your choice of Dragon Festival mask, your choice of Halloween/Wintersday accessory, and your choice of Lunar Festival miniature. Along with bags that contain a random selection of festival items. MadMaxx 04:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)." I suspect only past Dragon Festival hats will be available as GW's has now been completely abandoned by Arenanet and they will do the same thing for future festivals such as Halloween/wintersday etc 94.5.171.57 09:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

If gw had been abandoned by anet why are they giving us new stuff to do, still fixing bugs etc, the people that qq all the time need to think about what they are giving us a bit more, i missed one dragon festival finale cause i was unable to play on the finale day although completing all the quests that year, i look forward to finally getting the mask i missed, keep up the work anet.Spark-TBa 12:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

This is bittersweet. While I really want to have the first Halloween mask, I don't really like the fact that I can actually get it now. It should be for the players that were there all those years ago. Something to think about 10 years from now, maybe when the GW servers shut down. Having items not everyone can get makes you feel special. I'll still be getting every hat I'm missing in a week, just a thought. MadSkillz1o1 17:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

In all likeness only the token for the dragon masks will be available during this festival and the others will be available during their associated festivals. They just happened to add them all now. Just the indicator that the stopping point for the hats has been reached. As far as the lunar minis go, the more interesting ones will be those that haven't been given out yet. 78.47.250.35 18:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Just for the record, having items that other players can't have does not make me feel special.C0Zm1c 10:09, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Having something most people don't is pretty much the definition of special. That's why rare items exist and are expensive. Hurrr. MadSkillz1o1 10:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

The hats are common among the people who were present at the events where they were handed out, and they weren't numbered exclusives or anything. And they were free, not expensive. That doesn't strike me as very special at all - you didn't have to do anything or spend anything, just be there! I would prefer them to be available to all. Special is overrated, share the love! Since that appears to be happening, yay! C0Zm1c 23:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Not all of them were free, Dragon Festival hats cost 250 Victory Tokens even during the finale events. --Silver Edge 02:48, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Well I won't be remortgaging the house just yet. C0Zm1c 02:57, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Well the Wintersday accessories were given two at a time, I wonder if we can get two of them at once, like they were given out. I missed just the first Wintersday event, and I'd like to get both the Yule Cap and the Horns of Grenth, but I don't know if I'll still be playing in two years time. --Shinigami King 05:57, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) See Stephane Lo Presti's post concerning this. --Silver Edge 03:23, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Personally I never liked the way hats were distributed anyway. I see the appeal of it only being available that year, but not restricting it to a specific day because then theres a good chance a lot of loyal, regular players will miss out simply because they can't be there that one specific day. Especially when many of the GW events coincide with real-life holidays. I can't remember the last time I was able to join in with the Wintersday finale because I'm always visiting my parents over New Years. I'm going to miss the Dragon Festival this year because it's the same day as my wedding anniversay and I'm going to be on holiday. I'd much rather do that than play GW but it sucks that I'm going to miss out. I can understand that they can't keep doing the finale for multiple days because it wouldn't really make sense, but at least with the new options people have an oppertunity to get the hat. 86.159.24.117 10:01, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Also you have to bear in mind Anet doesn't have infinate staff, or the resources to hire them. Making new stuff for GW takes people and takes time. Adding content to this game takes staff away from working on GW2 and means a longer wait for that game. Personally I'd rather have GW2 sooner than another new hat I'll probably never get much use out of because I'd be alternating it with all the ones I already have. 86.159.24.117 10:07, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I know they haven't been in the game since the beginning, but recently they added the hat collectors that stay in the game for a week after the event ended. And most people probably don't care about new hats anyway. MadSkillz1o1 10:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Well at least the Tengu Mask is still a rarity Noggieca 17:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Except it's not. Guy offers Tengu Masks too. 67.181.180.101 19:46, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Good! This is the hat I never got but always wanted! --Musha 20:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Stéphane's post says you can complete the quest once each year. If it's supposed to replace the hats we get at each festical, shouldn't we be able to complete the quest once each festival ? (not that I'm complaining, it's already awesome) 213.166.194.139 09:35, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

"Sun Li’s quest will reward one Imperial Mask Token, and it can be completed once per account each year." "Kagno will offer hats from past Dragon Festivals and the Day of the Tengu but not other holidays." Sun Li most likely offers the quest during the Dragon Festival to receive the Imperial Mask Token, which can be exchanged for a Dragon Festival or Day of the Tengu hat from Imperial Supply Master Kagno (hence why the token is called "Imperial" Mask Token, because it can only be traded to "Imperial" Supply Master Kagno). Based on what MadMaxx found in the Gw.dat and had posted at the top of this section, there's going to be four tokens, so there's most likely going to be a different quest that rewards a different token for each respective hat festival: Canthan New Year, Dragon Festival (Imperial Supply Master Kagno), Halloween (Aahtan and Erulis), and Wintersday (Wintersday Hat Giver). --Silver Edge 18:56, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

I believe prestige over time is preferable over exclusivity. For example, imagine if titles got a timestamp. The first one getting Survivor would be the one with the highest merit, while anyone after them would have less, since they would be walking a path already paved by others (or completely renewed with service areas and all after an update). But if you can't do anything like that to denote when people got the stuff, people enjoying that is always better than only a few having access to it at all, when "having it" is the only way to indicate when they go it. As a game, the fun is in enjoying the stuff you can do and get, not watching others having the fun, or hearing about it, without ever have a go at it. MithTalk 23:18, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

So can someone confirm this to me from what i understand, at each festival you get the chance to get one old hat, if you have all the hats you can get something else thats special, in respect to canthan new year where there is only one hat you can get one of the old celestial minis. is this correct as thats how i understand the update to work. Spark-TBa 08:29, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

That's how I understand it, with the exception of the celestial minis. Haven't seen anything to indicate that would be the case with them, so I'm going to assume for now that it's limited to hats. 76.20.35.161 16:46, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Celestial miniatures will probably cycle on their own, since there's only 12 celestial animals in the Canthan zodiac. MithTalk 01:12, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Based on what was added to the Gw.dat in this update (as noted by MadMaxx at the top of this section), you can exchange tokens you get during the Canthan New Year festival for celestial miniatures (probably only the previous ones) and in response to "if you have all the hats you can get something else thats special", bags were also added to the Gw.dat that "contain a random selection of festival items", so probably if you have all the hats you can exchange the token for a present similar to Red Gift Bag, Festival Prize, Trick-or-Treat Bag, Wintersday Gift, etc. --Silver Edge 05:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)