Talk:Gwen/A2

Increased level?

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The notes say that her level can increase with experience and she will heal more damage.

What contributes to her experience?  I have had her along on everything from level 1 of my character through level 10 and level 11 and she was still level 1.  I am beginning to believe her level increase is a myth.      mtew 10:57, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I've never seen any evidence that she levels up, or that she ever heals more than 20 health, so yes, I think the claim is completely false. I'd like to see some evidence if anyone disagrees. I'm wondering why nobody else has commented on this, since the edit took place over a year ago. 76.88.114.182 04:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

More than a myth seems like a Hoax. First time I heard of that, and ALL my 6 pre-Searing character bring her at all times anywhere they go. MithTalk 00:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Introduction

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"Gwen is a bright, inquisitive 10 year-old girl"...? Really? I know we're all terribly fond of Gwen, but "bright" and "inquisitive" aren't the first terms that spring to mind when I think of her. "Average daydreamer" sounds more accurate. :p --Mme. Donelle 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

/doubletake /laugh ... your absolutly right... MrPaladin talk 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hard choice

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My favorite 2 guild wars characters are Gwen (age 10, not depressing Gwen) and Cynn. Cynn's description said that when her home was invaded by charr, they planned to eat her. Cynn had different plans. She turned them and her house into a pile of ashes ;). It's a really really hard choice, so i think i'll consider them tied. Anyone else have an opinion on this matter?

they're tied

Initial Comments

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Me? always thought she'd be monk >.> - Y0_ich_halt 18:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Quote by Gwen (from this): "[...] I'd like to be a warrior, but the mesmers' outfits are nicer, don't you think?" poke | talk 18:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

she still heals. and she looks monkish imo. :D - Y0_ich_halt 18:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

She heals with the flute, not any skills. Capcom 18:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

i know. but she heals. fact. no class but mo, rt or p can heal others. at least i can't think of any skill from other professions. - Y0_ich_halt 18:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

She just has a "weapon" (=flute) which can heal (instead of making damage) poke | talk 18:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

but she still heals. noone else can use that flute. lol. - Y0_ich_halt 18:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

She also incinerated everyone. Should have been an ele. --24.179.151.252 14:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the flute used Arcane Thievery on the Academy Monks? - HeWhoIsPale 18:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL XDD - Y0_ich_halt 18:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

NOOOO!!!!WHY?WHY SHE IS HERO?NOW ALL CAN USE SHE As HERO!:P WEll i give her own broken flute when i recruit her. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:137.163.21.50 .

Um, huh? - HeWhoIsPale 14:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

So where is the actual source that tells us she is a mes? I'm sure it's true, just curious :P --Alien 14:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

A combination of process of elimination and the manual from NCTaiwan. --Santax (talk · contribs) 14:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

aaah ok, to bad a can't read the manual though. xD --Alien 15:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I intend to bother Gaile about the English manual being released as a PDF sometime soon, since most players will be using the online store for the bonus pack promotion and won't recieve the physical manual, and there's also the fact that the Chinese now have a massive amount of information more than us, and people shouldn't get exclusives so big like that just because of the language they speak. --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

True... true ;P --Alien 15:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I mean, we've never had anything like that :P --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

So Gwen is indeed a mesmer? Well at least I can get rid of the *erm* levitating chubby dude, now. Buttermilk 21:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

mesmer? nice continuity Anet

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Gwen should have been either a monk, or an ele. think about it. In presearing she healed players after giving her the flute. (she didn't heal WITH the flute, she healed you because you gave her the flute.)

in the beta she nuked towns. (keke)

like, nice continuity Anet.
BuG 17:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't mention continuity if you're going to bring up the whole spontaneous combustion thing. I doubt that Gwen destroying Ascalon for a second time would be considered canon. --Santax (talk · contribs) 17:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

She was also never classed as a monk in pre. Should could have been a Me/Mo with enough ranks of fast casting so that we never noticed she was casting orison. - HeWhoIsPale 18:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Lets look at the quote now shall we.

"When I grow up, I'm going to be a hero like my daddy. I'd like to be a warrior, but the mesmers' outfits are nicer, don't you think?"

I don't even see monk mentioned there. Just because she can thrown out the odd heal as an 8 year old has no bearing on what profession she would be as a grown up. I don't think continuity is an issue. --Lemming 18:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe children get to 'try out' different primary professions the same way we get to with secondaries before getting locked in? :P. Or she could just have had an /Mo secondary... Draxynnic 09:21, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

nah, i think if gw has a lore like that it's you're born with a certain talent and that determines your profession. - Y0_ich_halt 18:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Like you are born with the power of flipping burgers at Burger King, right? 84.87.168.39 19:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL! Well, she probably didn't like the pressure of being a monk when she was healing us back in pre.. I mean, who didn't yell at her? I wouldn't blame her for going for mesmer. Conjure was an awesome spell in pre and Althea's clothes were pretty neat. ;) -- Zemmy 01:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... if that is so, then according to Lore, Merchants suck in any possible way! lol, they do absoloutely nothing... or do they...? (Hidden Skill: Ripoff) 62.0.139.142 08:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes this is replying to very old stuff, but perhaps someone is reading it for the first time xP Anywho, if you play <SPOILER ALERT!> the Bonus Mission Pack mission for Gwen you find out during her escape from the charr imprisonment she went through some tombs and acquired mesmer skills to help her escape by reading some dusty old tomes. So that coupled with her liking of mesmers as a child played a huge role in her decision for her main profession. Just thought I'd throw that out for those who enjoy game Lore 66.56.156.136 09:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't know why it logged me out, but that was me on the last one Nay the One and Only 09:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Age?

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Wait 8 years have passed? wow my ele doesn't show a second. but anyways, wouldn't she be like 15 then? because there was no way she was over 8 in pre-searing. --Lou-Saydus 18:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

could be. maybe she reached puberty too early. :D - Y0_ich_halt 18:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

What is with you people. It's been 6 years, not 8. Gwen distinctly said "SIX years ago, my world burned" which means that 6 years before GW:EN, The Searing BEGAN. --Curse You 22:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Please, read this official statement by Linsey Murdock. Chriskang 22:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

She's officially 10 as of the Searing, 17 as of The Flight North and 18 as of Eye of the North. -- Gordon Ecker 06:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Bring her to the Underworld

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First thing I'll do after unlocking her is to bring her to the Underworld, just to show her her dead mother. I wonder how she will react :-) Chriskang 10:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Woo hoo! More plot holes.--Stormrunner 04:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, someone's just did it :-) (Spoiler) Chriskang 11:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Voice

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Based on the trailer/leaked .mp3s I'm willing to bet that Gwen's voice is Michelle Ruff. Since it hasn't been 100% confirmed like Maurice LeMarche for Vekk, though, I'll hold off on adding it to the actual article. Skuldnoshinpu 21:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm pretty sure it's Kari Wahlgren - voice of Tahlkora in Nightfall and various anime roles. File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 14:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

It wouldn't hurt to have articles on them like Robin Atkin Downes as it is related to the game. --Lemming 15:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

tapestry shred and just being plain nice??

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i have one character that has recieved a tapestry shred and i am almost certain it would have some use in the the expansion giving it to gwen. But i am uncertain that me buying it with my main character ( whom i was pressurised by a friend to go through pre-searing as quick as possibe with him annd completely ignored her) would be enough, and actually needed her to be a new best friend and follow me around everywhere to get additional benefit???

Spoiler Tags

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Should Gwen's article, here in particular, and other heros, locations etc all have spoiler tags? Some of the info here tells people what Gwen has been up to and alludes to her recruitment, I know pages like this should be identified by common sense as high risk of spoilers but a tag won't hurt. Dancing Gnome 08:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hero Hair

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Anybody else notice that her hair is in a short bob with a middle parting. Kinda like... -Drive By Poster --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:212.124.247.75 .

Like.... ? -- ab.er.rant 10:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

He means he kinda likes... like he kinda likes it, her hair. --- Raptors

Gwen meet GW:EN (meet Gwen, meet....)

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I really hope the fabric (tapestry?) of space-time doesn't destroy itself, but I was sitting in the Hall of Monuments and just couldn't help myself -- I had to do this. Lyssa protect us! (Too bad none of them seem to notice each other. Perhaps it's the gods' way of protecting reality by making Gwens blind to each other.) (Hey kids! Can you spot the four Gwens in the picture? Answer: NPC, Hero, Mini, and Game.) -- Tometheus (talk) 03:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Give her hero armor, then you can have 5Killer Revan 20:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Item Responses

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Why does Gwen seem to give a more thankful and happy response when you have one item, rather than two? Perhaps with two or more items she gets skeptic and thinks we're trying to bribe her... File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 20:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

She doesn't say anything to me at all?

Preserved Red Iris Flower?

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I got a different dialogue with the preserved flower I found in Kourna. Its interesting as my character is Elonian, however it still says "We've met long ago" :) -- Gal Actus 17:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Small error

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on page it says

With Red Iris Flowers and Tapestry Shred. "I appreciate that you kept these relics of my past, but we must put them aside for now. The Ebon Vanguard needs us." With Red Iris Flowers or Tapestry Shred. "I can't believe you held on that for so many years. But, with the Ebon Vanguard missing, my own past must be put aside for now. We'll have time for this matter after my friends are rescued."

saying With Red Iris Flowers and Tapestry Shred twice isn't one ment to be just tapesty shred?

Note the conjunction. AND / OR. (It should actually be XOR). -- Tometheus (talk) 01:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I noticed the distinct lack of mention of the broken flute which it with the shred gave me the same comments as the flower and shred together

Red Iris Flower / Tapestry Thread (presear) + Small Girls Cape / Broken Flute (postsear) {Maybe preserved iris}

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Anyone seen the effects of having all 4/5 items??

My friend and I tried the Gwen's Broken Flute in combinations with Tapestry Shred and Red Iris Flowers but it didn't seem to make any difference so I assumed that it wasn't being checked.

Before Friday I'm planning on getting the Small Girl's Cape, Flute and Preserved Red Iris Flower and trying those in combinations with everything else. Does anyone have any suggestions of other items? If anyone has a Tattered Girl's Cape I'd love for them to try that. - Fenyx 14:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I tried Gwen's Broken Flute again and it still had no effect. But I also tried Preserved Red Iris Flower and I didn't get the text that Gal Actus added for them. (I got the same that I got for Tapestry Shred or Red Iris Flower). Could someone double check me on this? Thanks. Fenyx 13:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Just read Gal Actus' comment above. It may be because he is Elonian while I am Tyrian... Or maybe he was at a different stage of the Ebon Vanguard quest... Curse my being stuck at work. Fenyx 13:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Ta dah! --Santax (talk · contribs) 16:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

what if i take a post sear tattered red cape?

I'll try the dialogue again with my other charactes, in guildwiki they seem to have added the same dialogue for all options... -- Gal Actus 10:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

After finishing the Charr primary quest: Fire and Pain :) --Lemming 11:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

sigh... I guess I'll start a new prophecies character, the prices of these items are probably going high now too... -- Gal Actus 13:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Red Iris flowers drop in the Charr Homelands too. --Lemming 21:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I got one from there. As for the dialogues, I went in with my Canthan character having a Tapestry shred in his inventory: same dialogue, "... so many memories..." I'm guessing the dialogs are based on continents -- Gal Actus 05:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I tested each item separately; Gwen’s Broken Flute (from pre), no reaction or quests. The Tapestry Shred & Iris Flower or Preserved Iris Flower performed as specified. Any ideas as to what the broken flute is far?Ken 19:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

To get Fire and Pain you need either a Red Iris Flower, Preserved Iris Flower, or the Broken Flute from post searing. This is for all chars (Prophecies may not be able to). Then and Now, Here and There you MUST be a Prophecies character WITH the Tapestry Shred. Also to get either quest you must finish The Missing Vanguard. I updated this on the article page as well. Moonstar

is sexy

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Confirmed. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:85.168.232.8 .

Xandra, Livia, and Hayda are all way better. --- Raptors

Please, Livia only thinks she's sexy. --Mme. Donelle 13:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

She was hotter in pre-searing --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:72.66.70.147 (talk).

erm...--Raph Talky 00:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

'She was hotter in pre-searing' lmfao tht made me laugh 90.202.76.141

but she was 10 in pre-searing?

another pedo-bear strike!

/funniest comments ever LOL. BTW guys, I heard there's this thing called porn on the internets...114.77.108.48 10:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

All out of mossgum

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Isn't that from duke nukem when he says "Lets kick ass and chew bubblegum and I am all out of gum" 83.140.49.169 00:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

According to Wikiquote it's originally from They Live. -- Gordon Ecker 01:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

screw that, total duke nukem quote. -TehBuG-

Duke Nukem was even more of a pop-culture whore than Guild Wars. - HeWhoIsPale 14:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Eh?

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6 years and she's an adult? amazing. how old is gwen, really? hmmm... i swear she doesn't look a year above 8 during the pre-searing. 165.21.154.94 10:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

she's supposed to be 11 or 12 in pre-searing afaik... - Y0_ich_halt 12:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Even if she was only 8 in pre, that would make her 16 now -- just old enough to look adult. --Mme. Donelle 04:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I took her at about 10 in pre-searing, and 18 in Eye of the North. Still anywhere from 16-18 seems about right. --Mystisteel 04:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

according to the bonus missions she's 10 in pre - Y0_ich_halt 14:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

She's 10 in pre, 17 in the BMP and 18 as a hero. All works out. Backsword 14:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

she is 10 at pre-searing, but if you are lvl 10 ore higher at pre searing, going to post searing it says: 2 years later, then she supposed to be 12 the same day, you pay for a LA run, eotn is avaible (for characters of lvl 10=>20)you go to eotn and then gwen is...

18!!!!

nobody can grow so fast?

A Bug With Gwen?

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Well I went for Shiro and took Gwen along with me. As soon as he used Meditation of the Reaper she used it aswell Oo --MageMontu 08:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

lol, nice! - Y0_ich_halt 13:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

This was apparently fixed. -- ab.er.rant 07:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought you always get that effect icon on you when you are in range of Shiro when he Meditates. *shrug* Rose Of Kali 17:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Gwen....The Lady of Shallot

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For some reason Gwen bears a striking resemblance to The Lady of Shallot...at least in my eyes oO LunarEffect 21:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Funny, the picture of the Lady of Shalott in my English textbook shows her with blond hair, so I was thinking "How does that look like Gwen?" until I looked at the picture you posted. It actually does kind of look like her. --Michael the Perfectionist 03:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you think this is worth mentioning? LunarEffect 16:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Not so surprising since shallot means from Ascalon! XD - MORTUIЯUS 20:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Wait...that is actually some significant information! Coincidence? I think not! LunarEffect 19:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a physical resemblance, other than they're both women. O_o Rose Of Kali 17:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Really? I think they look very alike. =) LunarEffect 05:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, I just don't see it. Gwen has a round face, Lady has a triangular face. Gwen has a small straight nose, Lady has a fairly large "Greek" nose with the bump and flared nostrils. Gwen has tight thin lips, Lady has "butterfly" lips. Gwen has slightly Asian looking slanted eyes, Lady has large round eyes. Um... I guess their eyebrows look similar? Rose Of Kali 17:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The lady of shallot, by the angle of her face, would seem that she has different features. However, in account the actual anatomy of the basic human skull, you'd place the same stream of muscles together with both Gwen and Waterhouse's illustration. Gwen, the character, actually does have 'butterfly lips' as you call them however due to the skinning of the three dimensional graphics it is less apparent. Seriously, Rose of Kali. It seems that your main purpose in these debates is to rag on the character Gwen as much as possible and put down any speculations that can be made from the people who actually like her. My anonymous advice to you is to get over your personal hatred and... learn art at least.

Little Gwen is the illegitimate child of Togo and a time-traveling Teen Gwen !!!!!! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) This is actually the most far-fetched and irrelevant trivia I've seen on the wiki in quite some time. For those of you who haven't done their homework, here's a summary of why I don't think this should be on her page:

• A shallot is a variety of onion which the ancient Greeks thought came from Ashkelon, which is in Israel.
• The painting by John William Waterhouse is actually called The Lady of Shalott; the file name is simply misspelled.
• The painting itself is inspired by Lord Alfred Tennyson's poem of the same name, and the lady in this poem is loosely based on Elaine of Astolat.
• Astolat is a legendary place in Great Britain in Arthurian legend, which means it wouldn't have been anywhere geographically near Ashkelon.

So, for the sake of not getting carried away with freak coincidences and unfortunate misspellings, I'm removing the note from the page. Astolat is not Ascalon any more than a shallot is the same as Shalott, and Gwen certainly bears little actual resemblance to the character of Elaine. She definitely has nothing to do with onions, either... unless they're somehow related to her frequent QQ-ing. ;) -- Elv 15:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Beware, massive immaturity following

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She is a guy. I know it. You can see the transvestive face a mile away. Ninjas In The Sky 17:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

how often do you look at tranvastite faces? Zachariah Zuan. 02:03, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

total drama island

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so today i was watching total drama island on cartoon network with my brother. on the show their is someone named gwen and it looks like she was based of this gwen because shes got the same hair and nearly the same outfit. can anyone confirm my suspisons? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:X tigercat x (talk).

Holy hell you're right... Same colors, hair, clothes, etc....Scary... We need some Dev explanation ASAP.--Norrukki 02:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Wierd, according to Wikipedia, Total Drama Island first aired less than two months before Eye of the North was released. Maybe the outfits share a common inspiration. -- Gordon Ecker 04:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Its too coincidental not to note. There isn't any ANet connections to the show is there? A bit too inspired.--Norrukki 21:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't know when she was first seen in that outfit. Maybe she didn't wear it until the second season. -- Gordon Ecker 07:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

any word from the devs yet about wats up with this? X tigercat x 22:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

First time I saw TDI's Gwen I instantly made the connection. Really wander who was giving a nod to who? Buddah668 07:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

"The marshmallows were supposed to go to either Izzy or Lindsay, but Izzy..." That's a quote from TDA wiki... maybe not so farfetched? --Silven 02:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I like Gwen in tights.

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Very smexy. Even for pixels. Defintley like her more than Jora or Livia. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.65.105.65 (talk).

Mmmm, Gwen. Vonturn Runesworth 13:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Trivia- Robin Hood Men in Tights... "Shes Gwen, She's Gwen in tights 'Tight' tights" MrPaladin talk 14:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Outfit's nice and all, but her songstress dress owns all her others and near everything else in the game ^_^. Can I have that for my mesmer thx? --Star Weaver 17:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

"more than Jora" ........ WHY YOUUUUUU Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 19:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Un noted Convo

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User:Firoas has told me, and I observed that a Vanguard Soldier enters the HoM and hits on Gwen...does anyone have the diolauge? Zachariah Zuan. 02:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

You're thinking of Lieutenant Thackeray during Wintersday, the dialogue's on his page. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Not just during wintersday, he still comes in occasionally to say Hi and Gwen bites his head off because she's psychotic. Rose Of Kali 20:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Happened at least 5+ times to me since wintersday on one character. I wonder why he engages in this conversation over and over after wintersday Shadow Runner 20:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Because the convo has nothing to do with wintersday. He's just trying to be nice to Gwen, and she's being the bitch she always is. Rose Of Kali 20:47, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

don't ya' just love those anime like couples soo much like Shinji and Asuka or...Misty and Ash XD plus war bloodshed and loss of their lives Zachariah Zuan. 22:14, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I was in the HoM today and Thackeray came in and asaked her how to make a healing infusion... She went on about ingredients and recipes (all of which they had except Jacaranda Seeds). Gwen said that Nick the Traveler would be bound to be able to get some etc etc. Is this some kind of hint about what Nick will want next week, some reference to something else, or just a random conversation between two ahem close friends?--Son of Batman 16:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

These are documented in Hall of Monuments. Fenyx 18:06, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Logan note

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Added because while it is just speculation, we know Thackeray has a thing for Gwen, he has a descendant in GW2(implied by name) and who else would it be, Gwen is an important NPC, and frankly it makes sense--Lord Randy 06:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Just because he has a thing for her doesn't mean it turned into a relationship. I don't think we should have the note here, though it's appropriate on Lt. Thackeray's page because of the shared surname. --Kyoshi (Talk) 06:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

May as well have the trivia note there since its got a pretty heavy chance at being right--Lord Randy 07:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Pretty heavy is pretty relative. --Kyoshi (Talk) 08:14, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I prefer the note removed. Her and the guy have no more than a few lines together. You can't assume a relationship from that. (Xu Davella 15:17, 6 December 2009 (UTC))

If I remember right, wasn't there an entire Wintersday quest dedicated to helping him get a gift for her? Putting a descendant of Gwen in GW2 does seem like the sort of thing ANet would do, and if you think about it, the Wintersday 2008 quest was created after work had started on GW2. Does anybody here really believe that Logan and Gwen aren't related? --Santax (talk · contribs) 15:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

It is really a thing Anet would do (that's something I really like from them) but it's still a speculation (for example, in theory there are several people who can be the one who hooked up with Lt. Thackeray). I say add when there is some more evidence. For now, remove. -- Cyan 15:44, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

While true there are not to many lines, It is the sort of thing Anet would do, and its an easily predictable thing they would do--Lord Randy 16:05, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I dunno if they would. We've never really seen a relationship happen in Guild Wars, except for Cynn's tsundere approach to Mhenlo, Koss and Melonni's love-hate situation, and these hints, and half the time in the HoM Gwen talks like she doesn't want Thackeray there. I think it's too hard to say at this point, but maybe they'll clarify in one of the novels. --Kyoshi (Talk) 17:29, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Watch, some point in the future it will be right, but until then i think the trivia note is got at least some business down there, And another thing, she just may not be showing it that's all i have to say on that--Lord Randy 18:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

It is trivial speculation that many people agree with, thus that in itself makes it worthy of staying as trivia. Gwen aside, we know Thackeray likes her, and seems to be a persistent little guy so far, despite Gwen's peculiar "foreplay." Rose Of Kali 20:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

And calling him by first name could be hinting by Anet that she likes him back, just scarred to admit it, since everything she has ever loved has been destroyed, or burned by the charr, and pretending like she doesn't like him gives her security he wont be destroyed by a giant flaming crystal falling from the sky--Lord Randy 20:16, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'd prefer it remain unclarified, that way we can decide each for ourselves in our own mind what happened, rather than having it dictated to us. --Nathe 00:14, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

If you do want to keep a note about this, just say Keiran seems to have some interest on her; saying Logan is her descendant is going too far from the point. The evidence supporting this is too little, Kairen could even die just after GW:EN while Logan would be his brother's descendant (assuming he has one) . I'm removing the note. --Drake of Storms 01:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

What about wording it "It has been speculated by Guild Wars players that ____ because ____"? Manifold 01:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

SOME players speculate it. The wiki is not for a few players' speculations, but for game info. --Drake of Storms 05:27, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Is a trivia note not saying its true, it deserves a spot atleast--Lord Randy 05:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Why does it deserves a spot? Just keep the facts straight, make the note about Keiran, then in his page the note about Logan and let players smart enough create their own speculations. There's nothing directly relating Logan to Gwen.--Drake of Storms 05:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I still laugh at the "Lady of Shallot" trivia, as I don't see the resemblance at all, but oh well. This one was a bit too much speculation, but I think it would be quite safe to say that "Gwen has a developing friendship with Lt. Thack in the quest blah blah." as that is not speculation, it is a fact. Going further is a bit too much, just wait for another quest to push this forward. Or GW2 itself. Rose Of Kali 12:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

My speculation is that Rose of Kali needs to get laid. >: --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:72.213.184.125 (talk).

Really? Care to set it up for me? Rose Of Kali 13:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)