Template talk:Cinematic infobox
Spoiler needed?[edit]
As all these cinematic pages should actually include a spoiler warning, could this infobox maybe automatically add a {{spoiler}} on top of the page? Or should this be added seperately on top of the dialogue sections? Or do you think a spoiler isn't needed at all? —ZerphaThe Improver 20:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- I would think the very nature of looking at the dialogue would be spoiler-ish, but adding it to the template isn't a bad idea if it's really thought to be necessary. Sounds Risky | 21:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- If someone is looking for the page, chances are they don't care about spoilers. The only time a spoiler tag is necessary is if Page A mentions in detail Event X, but Event X is far away from the time of Page A's happenings. For example, if I mentioned in Order of the Sunspears that Kormir will become... you-know-who, that would be a spoiler. However, saying the same thing on the article of you-know-who or Abaddon's Gate (or its cinematic) is not a spoiler. Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't think a spoiler tag is necessary :/. -- Brains12 \ talk 21:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, ok excuse me then, i supposed every page that tells anything about the storyline needs to get a spoiler. —ZerphaThe Improver 21:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- On some websites, they probably do. However, a wiki is sorta different -- most people only look on a page they're interested in; if they're interested in it, it's likely they want to know more about it. That doesn't really spoil anything for them. Regardless, a cinematic isn't all too spoiling. -- Brains12 \ talk 21:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, but what about those people that happen to stumble upon a page.... my not be relevant, but that was wy I was thinking that the template needed to be added. --Shadowphoenix 19:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- Why would someone stumble upon such a page, unless they're doing Special:Random (in which case it's their own fault if they reach a page they don't want to see)? The only time someone would want to click on a cinematic page is if they're interested in that cinematic, in which case it isn't spoiling. It's the same case with mission articles and the like. -- Brains12 \ talk 20:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- They would stumble upon it the same way I stumbled upon GWWT, policies, and many of my friends userpages (Wyn in particular, is one of the users that I "stumbled" upon) it is as simple as mistakenly clicking the wrong link or an unknown link to wind up at a certain location. I understand where you are coming from, but I have to say that "it is their own fault" is not a good argument; some people click the wrong link or are reading one page (mostly on user talk) that has a link to something like the cinematics and then suddenly it is ruined. I just think it would be nice to have a small warning on the page letting people know that the content of the articles will "spoil" that part of the story. I was thinking, however, that if we add a spolier type thing to the infobox, that it should look at bit different than {{spoiler}}; just because it might look a bit distastful if that same template is on every cinematic page. I would like to gather others opinions on this as well :). --Shadowphoenix 00:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Why dont you add a red bar to the bottom of the nav. I added a bottom bar to my nav — Seru Talk 00:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)- Lol i can't read xD — Seru Talk 00:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- I actually like your idea Seru, that would do it for me :) --Shadowphoenix 00:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- It would work if people were looking off the nav, but thats at the bottom of the page. — Seru Talk 00:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- That is true, but still I think it is better then nothing and I would be fine if that was implemented. --Shadowphoenix 00:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- If we're going to have a spoiler tag, we need it at the top where it's the first thing seen. I'm testing a couple of things in my sandbox to make a not-so-impending-doom-style warning that the {{spoiler}} has, but a neutral (and noticeable) one. However, I'd still like more input from other users first -- I still don't think we need a spoiler tag, but I'd compromise with a neutral tag if necessary. -- Brains12 \ talk 00:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- I agree that the {{spoiler}} tag is a bit to bold for the cinematic pages, so I await your proposal :) --Shadowphoenix 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- If we're going to have a spoiler tag, we need it at the top where it's the first thing seen. I'm testing a couple of things in my sandbox to make a not-so-impending-doom-style warning that the {{spoiler}} has, but a neutral (and noticeable) one. However, I'd still like more input from other users first -- I still don't think we need a spoiler tag, but I'd compromise with a neutral tag if necessary. -- Brains12 \ talk 00:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- That is true, but still I think it is better then nothing and I would be fine if that was implemented. --Shadowphoenix 00:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- It would work if people were looking off the nav, but thats at the bottom of the page. — Seru Talk 00:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- I actually like your idea Seru, that would do it for me :) --Shadowphoenix 00:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- They would stumble upon it the same way I stumbled upon GWWT, policies, and many of my friends userpages (Wyn in particular, is one of the users that I "stumbled" upon) it is as simple as mistakenly clicking the wrong link or an unknown link to wind up at a certain location. I understand where you are coming from, but I have to say that "it is their own fault" is not a good argument; some people click the wrong link or are reading one page (mostly on user talk) that has a link to something like the cinematics and then suddenly it is ruined. I just think it would be nice to have a small warning on the page letting people know that the content of the articles will "spoil" that part of the story. I was thinking, however, that if we add a spolier type thing to the infobox, that it should look at bit different than {{spoiler}}; just because it might look a bit distastful if that same template is on every cinematic page. I would like to gather others opinions on this as well :). --Shadowphoenix 00:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Why would someone stumble upon such a page, unless they're doing Special:Random (in which case it's their own fault if they reach a page they don't want to see)? The only time someone would want to click on a cinematic page is if they're interested in that cinematic, in which case it isn't spoiling. It's the same case with mission articles and the like. -- Brains12 \ talk 20:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, but what about those people that happen to stumble upon a page.... my not be relevant, but that was wy I was thinking that the template needed to be added. --Shadowphoenix 19:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- On some websites, they probably do. However, a wiki is sorta different -- most people only look on a page they're interested in; if they're interested in it, it's likely they want to know more about it. That doesn't really spoil anything for them. Regardless, a cinematic isn't all too spoiling. -- Brains12 \ talk 21:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, ok excuse me then, i supposed every page that tells anything about the storyline needs to get a spoiler. —ZerphaThe Improver 21:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- If someone is looking for the page, chances are they don't care about spoilers. The only time a spoiler tag is necessary is if Page A mentions in detail Event X, but Event X is far away from the time of Page A's happenings. For example, if I mentioned in Order of the Sunspears that Kormir will become... you-know-who, that would be a spoiler. However, saying the same thing on the article of you-know-who or Abaddon's Gate (or its cinematic) is not a spoiler. Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't think a spoiler tag is necessary :/. -- Brains12 \ talk 21:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- i just had an idea. What if we hide the dialouge? Can't we put it in a collapsible box? Then they can either show or keep it hidden. — Seru Talk 00:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) User:Brains12/Sandbox/Nolani Academy (cinematic) and User:Brains12/Sandbox/The Nornbear are examples. It may push the infobox down a bit, but I can't make the tag stand noticeably at the top without doing so (someone else can probably do a better job than me to make sure that that doesn't happen). It calls the campaign parameter automatically, so it's not necessary to enter any information in the tag manually.
- Seru, that's a bit troublesome -- I wouldn't like to have to click show buttons in order to make article content appear. That's a little too overprotective. -- Brains12 \ talk 00:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah. Should we add the spoiler tag to the mission pages. They all link to there cinematic. Example. We really should have a template that will auto add a spoiler notice and the link if you just put it under a Cinematic header. — Seru Talk 01:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- I really don't think we need to be so overprotective and keep spoiler tags anywhere cinematics may be linked. It's enough that I may compromise with low-key spoiler tags on the cinematic pages, considering how I don't think they are needed, but having them on linked pages is simply... well, I guess you know what I think about that by now. -- Brains12 \ talk 01:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with Seru, I think the spoiler tags should be put onto mission pages, as they reveal the most of the storyline. I'm not sure about some of the others, but I don't think it would be game breaking to someone if they looked at them. -- Wandering Traveler 01:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Idk maybe just a small one or a disclaimer but not {{spoiler}} thats a bit much. — Seru Talk 01:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Maybe something similar to the Notice template? Considering Cinematics, it doesnt have to be too big. -- Wandering Traveler 01:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hers what i got for adding to the mission pages. {{Cinematic link}} I think we should remove the dialogue from the mission pages that have finished cinematic pages. — Seru Talk 01:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- ehhh, I agre with brains... we do not want to be too overprotective, and what you are proposing is just a bit to much overprotective. I think what Brains did in his sandbox is perfect! --Shadowphoenix 01:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comparing the two, I think Brains's idea is a bit better. Its not as flashy and it doesnt force people off said article. -- Wandering Traveler 01:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Im talking more mission pages than the cinematics pages. If you want to use Brains idea on the cinematics pages then go ahead, but I just think that we shouldn't have the dialogue in two places :\ If we have these pages i think thats where the information should be, since they don't have any effect on the mission really. — Seru Talk 01:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- I don't mind removing the cinematic dialogue from mission pages, as long as the cinematic article exists of course -- just leave a link to the cinematic page under the same header (and without the spoiler notice! D:). Would be a good idea to bring that up on GWWT:MISSIONS first, maybe. -- Brains12 \ talk 01:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Im talking more mission pages than the cinematics pages. If you want to use Brains idea on the cinematics pages then go ahead, but I just think that we shouldn't have the dialogue in two places :\ If we have these pages i think thats where the information should be, since they don't have any effect on the mission really. — Seru Talk 01:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comparing the two, I think Brains's idea is a bit better. Its not as flashy and it doesnt force people off said article. -- Wandering Traveler 01:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- ehhh, I agre with brains... we do not want to be too overprotective, and what you are proposing is just a bit to much overprotective. I think what Brains did in his sandbox is perfect! --Shadowphoenix 01:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hers what i got for adding to the mission pages. {{Cinematic link}} I think we should remove the dialogue from the mission pages that have finished cinematic pages. — Seru Talk 01:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Maybe something similar to the Notice template? Considering Cinematics, it doesnt have to be too big. -- Wandering Traveler 01:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Idk maybe just a small one or a disclaimer but not {{spoiler}} thats a bit much. — Seru Talk 01:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with Seru, I think the spoiler tags should be put onto mission pages, as they reveal the most of the storyline. I'm not sure about some of the others, but I don't think it would be game breaking to someone if they looked at them. -- Wandering Traveler 01:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- I really don't think we need to be so overprotective and keep spoiler tags anywhere cinematics may be linked. It's enough that I may compromise with low-key spoiler tags on the cinematic pages, considering how I don't think they are needed, but having them on linked pages is simply... well, I guess you know what I think about that by now. -- Brains12 \ talk 01:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah. Should we add the spoiler tag to the mission pages. They all link to there cinematic. Example. We really should have a template that will auto add a spoiler notice and the link if you just put it under a Cinematic header. — Seru Talk 01:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Im going to use {{Cinematic link}} under a ===cinematic=== in the ==dialogue== section of a mission page. — Seru Talk 01:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- No no, no spoiler notice. As I said, just have a small (non-template) note under the current header -- something like "For the cinematic dialogue, see <page>". This belongs on the formatting talk page, though. -- Brains12 \ talk 01:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
(Reset indent) I have limited time and internet access, so forgive me if I say things that have allready been said; I simply do not have the time to read everything. On the topic of spoilers, I think placing spoiler templates on all cinematic pages or all mission pages is indeed overprotective. The spoiler template I placed here some time ago, just as is done, for instance, here, should suffice, imho. There pretty much is no way linking yourself to a mission or cinematic page from the main page without coming across a spoiler-template on a page in the process of getting there. —Why 09:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
__NOTOC__[edit]
I noticed you added it on top of every cinematic page. Wouldn't it be easier to directly include it in the template? —ZerphaThe Improver 21:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- Ok nvmd, you more or less already answered here. Though i doubt that any cinematic will need a TOC :P —ZerphaThe Improver 21:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Further images[edit]
Wouldn't it look nicer for pages lik At the Bloodstone if the images are included in the box? (Similar to the {{location infobox}}) In this case the image refers to the notes section, but if anyone would add further images they would look more uniform on the right in the box. —ZerphaThe Improver 22:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Bug[edit]
Encounter in the Depths → it is quite impossible to add multiple quests in this template as of this time. I'd have fixed it myself if I had an idea how to. -Why 16:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
- added: This also occurs if having multiple Locations, again see the article. I suggest removing the [['s and ]]'s enclosing the {{{location}}} and {{{plays during}}} parameters. -Why 16:53, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
locations[edit]
They now have [[double]] brackets around every location link. --Lemming 23:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yea, we will have to change that manually, I think, because the template works great this way. I'll do it tomorrow, if it hasn't been done allready by that time. —Why 23:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
GDFL[edit]
Template:Arenanet article2 Since nothing on these pages are released under the GDFL to my knowledge. Should we add this template to the infobox? Just wondering.— Seru Talk 00:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Look at quest articles, NPC articles, mission articles -- they don't mention anything about the GFDL (whether it's partially or entirely non-GFDL); seeing as those don't have it, it's likely it's not needed for cinematic articles, either. -- Brains12 \ talk 00:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- "Content is available under these licensing terms. " Bottom of every page. Backsword 07:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Edits[edit]
When we're editing a widely-used template, could we try and make sure we only edit them once instead of two or three times in a row? Creating a test page first is useful to make sure the edits are correct. -- Brains12 \ talk 00:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry something minor turned into a lot of minor mistakes. xD wont need to edit this again can prob protect the page. Even tho its not really necessary to. 00:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)