User talk:Wynthyst/Archive/August 08

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- Y0_ich_halt 11:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

LOL.. only took 6 hrs :D -- Wyn 11:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

hey, you archived at 5:50 UTC and i was sleeping til 6:45, then had my driving test. :D - Y0_ich_halt 11:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Did you pass? --Silverleaf 11:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

i did. now i'm allowed to drive with a parent codriving... god, this sucks. - Y0_ich_halt 11:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, congrats on passing :D -- Wyn 11:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks :D - Y0_ich_halt 11:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Well at least your "Probezeit" finishes one year earlier, and actually you don't even need to drive now, so it has only positive effects in the end :P poke | talk 15:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

my parents want me to take a shift when we go to denmark for holidays... - Y0_ich_halt 15:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Lucky you... -- Brains12 \ talk 15:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

why? not going anywhere this year or not allowed to drive at all? xD - Y0_ich_halt 15:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I thought you weren't happy about driving with your parents... from what my siblings said, they didn't much like that experience. (And no, I can't drive..) -- Brains12 \ talk 16:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

talk about sarcasm doesn't work. mine was sarcasm, and yours was, too, i guess. before i thought yours wasn't ^^ - Y0_ich_halt 18:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok.. family vacations are fun.. but can they be on someone else's talk page????-- Wyn 16:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

They make you seem popular and loved by the people (not that you aren't or anything, but... it improves your image to outsiders :P) Calor 17:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Know what else does that? Wub spam. -- Brains12 \ talk 17:32, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Wub spam is pretty funny and has had some interesting results --Wolf 18:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

That's nothing compared to this. -- Brains12 \ talk 18:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Good Lord, and to think, I was about to do something liek the last one XD --Wolf 18:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Wyn, youe page is mutating into a spam center more and more. we should delete the wub template ;) - Y0_ich_halt 19:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

No! I get plenty of legit use out of it. =D Besides, people would just find something else less pleasent to spam with, or recreate it. --Wolf 19:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Redirecting

Hello Wynthyst, since you are probably more inform about the policy than I am, I have a question about redirection or redirecting. If I were to find a blank page like Vanquish Timing, can I use that page to redirect to my data, or is that illegal? Anraiki 18:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

We discourage redirects from the mainspace to the userspace. You could, however, provide a link on Talk:Vanquisher and tell people what your page is about. -- Brains12 \ talk 18:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, a link on a talk page, is much better than a redirect. -- Wyn 22:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Congrats

Did somebody's derv just make Legendary VQ? :O gj, I'm lightyears behind you on my ele. lol

/rcpatrol -- Vorith (talk•contribs) 09:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :D Eastern Frontier w/3 heroes SUCKS ROCKS! -- Wyn 09:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice going Wynthyst, congratulations :). --Silverleaf 10:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Grats! --Wolf 16:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Grats Wyn, I bet you'll be totally shocked when some random person congratulates you, but I feel like it. I promised myself I wouldn't do this but... *flails*. Good Job! Cheesecake 10:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not as shocking when it happens on the wiki, but when it happened in game it was a real shock. But thanks :D It was a long time coming (the title). Whoever decided to give Grawl Uglodyttes Healing Hands and run them in pairs with Backbreaking Grawl, needs to be shot or something. -- Wyn 10:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry.

When I added the player wiki page, I thought the only rule was about including any Guild Wars items on the site. Anyway, I am sorry for that and will try to delete the page if I can find out how.

Legoman100

you can't delete stuff yourself, only the admins can. you can mark stuff for deletion, though, by putting {{delete|(reason)}} on the page. also, sign using four tildes (~~~~) - Y0_ich_halt 18:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

It's fine, I believe it's already been deleted. I know it's frustrating to know how/where to do stuff. I would possibly recommend once it's established, start a discussion on an appropriate talk page, possibly the Fansites page, and add a link to it.-- Wyn 22:43, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi friend!

Let's do some whatever it is you do in Guild Wars kk

Your flying friend, - FestoonedTwinklepixie 19:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

This weekend it's getting GWEN vangquished :D, and I'd love to play with you :D -- Wyn 22:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I never understood...

Do icons do tango or something? :).--Fighterdoken 07:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol! No, it has to do with the process by which they are created. I can't necessarily say I understand it either, but since they do have a category of their own, and all of them do have the 'Tango' in their name, who am I to judge? -- Wyn 07:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

W:Tango Desktop Project. Basically it's a set of guidelines for icon creation for desktop icons, to give a consistent experience among open-source programs. Obviously we're not making desktop icons for open-source programs, but someone (I think Biro was the first but I could be wrong) decided it was a good set of guidelines to apply to making icons for the wiki, and other people have followed suit. - Tanetris 08:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

see also :) poke | talk 15:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

As promised...

-- Brains12 \ talk 16:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

--Wolf 17:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

again? poke | talk 17:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

some more! =D --Wolf 18:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

brains spams ? Excelle-e-ent... -- NUKLEAR IIV 19:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I didn't do the wub for spam, I did the wub for wub. I doubt Wyn wants spam on her talk :/ -- Brains12 \ talk 19:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that abomination of a Wub mass is my handy-work. I was gunna do something along the lines of "We Wyn", but I wanted to try my hand at building a message made of pure wub's. Dang, needs and Exclamation, lets add that. --Wolf 19:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

--Shadowphoenix 20:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

--Wolf 20:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh man you guys.... it's only the 4th of the month.... you're gonna make me have to archive early if you keep it up. -- Wyn 03:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, one more . And now, I'm done =D --Wolf 03:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

If you get promoted, you'll be archiving way earlier. First the congratulations, then the "u iz sysops can u helpz me?" questions. Calor 04:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Lisan al Gaib

I did archive those messages before deleting them, twice. See here. Let me know when you recieve this message and let me get back to managing my talk page. And, please check the archives first next time. Thank you. --Shai Halud 04:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I looked for an archive entry and didn't see one. My apologies. Good thing undo is so easy :P -- Wyn 04:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

The Maker

You're probably right, but I don't know how to make user subpages.--Shai Halud 04:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Just make a link to the noexistant page. It will be red, but just follow it and you will be able to create the page. (There's other ways, but that's the easy one). Backsword 04:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

For example, User:Shai Halud/GW2 Suggestions would be a subpage of your user page where you could place Guild Wars 2 Suggestions, a subpage is anything in this format: [[User:Shai Halud/<enter name here>. --Kakarot 11:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

thx--Shai Halud 20:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Templates

just want to thank you for the kind use of your made templates.still learning my way around wiki but my page is getting there (i think)BlackBlood talk 04:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. And you are doing just fine :D -- Wyn 04:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

hope so :) BlackBlood talk 04:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

ooo

=? — Seru Talk 15:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

? --Wolf 15:39, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't get what that's for. (And it's not Tango, either.) -- Brains12 \ talk 15:42, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Image talk:Tango-green-leaf-icon.png poke | talk 15:43, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

i dont get it either.... oh u Wyn! --Shadowphoenix 15:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Leaf... <HORSEDROWNER> 21:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

NPA reply

← moved to User talk:Burning Freebies

Oh dear...

I'm sorry to bother you with this. I don't quite know where to start...I can't say I've been at the receiving end of a teen gone bonkers before. The user Burning Freebies seems to have lost all the plot on my talk page, he's now threatening me with the police and calling me a paedophile lol. I'm a 28 year old woman and I like to consider myself a motherly figure for the younger ones...I know he's frustrated for being kicked, but this is precisely the sort of behaviour that got him kicked from the [KISS] alliance. I'm sure he's a harmless kid underneath it all, and I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but the nonesense on my userpage really needs to stop. Is there anything that can be done? Am I allowed to remove threats like this? --Bunny - Angel talk 20:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

A {{wub}}less, but no less wubbful,

congratulations :D. If anyone starts adding those wubs, you can now ban them to your heart's content. -- Brains12 \ talk 16:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

How about content? Proper word usage is ftw. --Wolf 16:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

They're practically the same. -- Brains12 \ talk 16:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

{{wub}} grats wyn! - Y0_ich_halt 16:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Wyn, could you please listen to me in IRC? :D poke | talk 18:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

{{wub}} {{wub}} {{wub}} {{wub}} {{wub}} {{wub}} {{wub}} {{wub}} {{wub}} {{wub}}!!!!!!! (I am SP the unbannable muwhwahhahah; shhh) --Shadowphoenix 18:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

{{placeholder}}! <HORSEDROWNER> 21:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Congrats Wyn :D --Kakarot 00:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

You guys are all very sweet, and I {{wub}} you all. That being said, now I just hope I don't prove to be a total failure after all your support.-- Wyn 07:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Leafy wyn

Wyn has gone green! — Seru Talk 22:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Question

This image is ok to use right? — Seru Talk 01:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, images released to the public domain do not conflict with GFDL so are perfectly fine to use here.-- Wyn 01:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Another Question

Are you familiar with the Bonus mission pack? — Seru Talk 05:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Only so far as to be able to tell you I have it, haven't completed a single mission though because I quite literally SUCK at the solo stuff. -- Wyn 05:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

xD I need to know how many cinematics are in at least. I don't have it so i can't check for myself. You think one for each story page? — Seru Talk 05:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

meh, I really don't know. Togo's story is the only one I have gotten anywhere in at all. I can ask some of my guildies though, several of them have done them, though whether they are going to remember about the cinematics is questionable. If you really need it, I might be talked into giving them more effort, but it will cost you.... -- Wyn 05:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Just need to know how many times they hit the "skip" button. — Seru Talk 05:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Congrats

Looks like you're part of the admin team now :) (can't believe I'm the first to say this on your talk... since I'm usually one of the last) -- ab.er.rant 06:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, nvm, I need to scroll a little higher, heh. -- ab.er.rant 06:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

You are forgiven... this time :P and Thanks!-- Wyn 06:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Hip hip, hooray! Grats, Wyn! :D Kokuou 08:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I believe more Gratz are inorder =D and maybe a or two --Wolf 08:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Very belated a congratz from me, wyn... -- NUKLEAR IIV 08:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Friends

Am I not your friend? :( <HORSEDROWNER> 07:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

If you mean why aren't you on my wiki friends list on my wikipage, all I can say is that if I included everyone, my page would quickly outgrow the size limit allowed for user mainpages. The ones listed hold a special place, it doesn't mean I don't consider MANY people on this wiki my friend, you included.-- Wyn 07:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok ;) <HORSEDROWNER> 07:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Little code help

Ok i want to put this at the top of my userpage in place of the current pic, but alas i can't get it to center xD — Seru Talk 22:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Done :D-- Wyn 22:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hundred ways to center something, added one now :)

Yay Wyn, I edit conflicted you on that page, and you edit conflicted me here :D poke | talk 22:40, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Thx i waz code phailz there — Seru Talk 22:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Well it seems I was just too slow xD poke | talk 22:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

lol well, now it's just gonna be centered no matter what you do with it.-- Wyn 22:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict x1000) You should of used <div align="center">{{User:Seru/name}}</div> as the center tag is deprecated. --Kakarot 22:45, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Meh.. stop using big words on my talk page... they confuse me.-- Wyn 22:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The align property isn't the best way to do it either, Kakarot :P - Wyn :) poke | talk 22:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Would <div style="text-align:center">{{User:Seru/name}}</div> be better Poke? --Kakarot 22:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I say whatever works is best :P -- Wyn 22:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

That only works for text. I just use a table with style="margin:auto". No idea if that's up to standards, but it works. -- Brains12 \ talk 23:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Images are "text", so yes that's fine; and a table is fine too. poke | talk 23:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Huh. Didn't know that. -- Brains12 \ talk 23:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Bored

I made my name into a template :)— Seru Talk 22:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Order Up! Two wubs as you requested, both on my discussion and on your page! Btw, I'm kinda bored too. Cheesecake 23:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Name template

I think you need a name template like mine cause then you can do fun stuff like whats up on my userpage right now. — Seru Talk 00:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Readems Idea

No offense but his idea had absolutely zero to do with VoD, as it is a retired mechanic, and doesn't exist anymore. Why did you move it to a Misc section called VoD when it had nothing to do with it at all? It should be in my section like I said since his idea is 100% about changing the actual mechanics of GvG as a whole not a retired mechanic a ton of people hate, but I don't know how to move stuff without breaking anything. It should be an issue here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/ArenaNet:Skill_feedback/Miscellaneous/New_GvG_Ideas. Thanks. DarkNecrid 11:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead and move it. Just don't spam his talk. -Auron 11:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, if it had nothing to do with VoD, he should not have titled the section on Izzy's page Vod should he? The new rules for Izzy's page were made very clear, suggestions of those types belong in the ArenaNet namespace, NOT on Izzy's talk page.-- Wyn 12:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Well again Auron I dunno how to. Also he titled VoD but that was clearly an error on his part if you read his deal. It isn't about VoD at all because...well...VoD doesn't exist anymore. DarkNecrid 12:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Kudos

I popped in here to visit after you left a little comment on my talk page for something entirely unrelated, and I just wanted to say Kudos on all the very helpful templates you have put together. It has encouraged me to start redressing my user page, which to be honest was long overdue. Thanks so much for putting in the time you do for the wiki, I think you're doing a fantastic job :) --Bunny - Angel talk 22:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, if you ever need any coding assistance, or anything, just ask :D I really like what you have done with the KISS guild page, just don't let it go too far k? -- Wyn 22:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much, I appreciate that, I'm still very much a wiki code noob so no doubt I'll take you up on that offer :) It was when I was reading the changes to policy pages that I realised the guild page needed a good face lift to be brought up to code. If there is anything still not right, just sing out and I'll amend whatever is needed. --Bunny - Angel talk 07:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ping

Please do not kill me, but I think that you would do great at it! Plzzzzzzzzzzz accept :D --Shadowphoenix 00:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I told you what would happen if I got nominated. -- Wyn 00:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes you did, Wyn, but the world didn't asplode. -- Brains12 \ talk 00:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

No, but my brain might if I take on any more atm, and that would just be messy.-- Wyn 00:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

:( ok... sorry; but I really want yo to be a bcrat *sniff* and I wouldn't want ur brain to asplode.... cause then I would be the one that has to clean it up :p --Shadowphoenix 00:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

srly? --Cursed Angel 00:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I believe we all Wyn very much, and I don't think anyone wants to clean up the results of an exploded head. (you know what it's like if you've seen Pulp Fiction.) Bureaucrats are all curropt anyway. Some of the worlds best leaders don't want power, but use it b/c people need and want them to. George Washington didn;t want power, he wanted to help people. If he had things his way, he would not have been president, but yet he was, and was without a doubt our best, why? B/c he didn't want power, and was not using it to his own benifit. --Wolf 03:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

As I said during your RfA, I'm in agreement with SP here that you'd make a fair bureaucrat (psst! it's usually less work than a sysop if you think the guild stuff is overwhelming, heh ;). Maybe next time :) -- ab.er.rant 12:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I understand that Ab.er.rant, but at this point, with the new guild page policy just having been implemented, I believe that having full use of the sysop tools is more beneficial than having the restricted tools of a Bureacrat. And if not next time, the time after that, or the time after that. As I said, I do appreciate your faith that I would make a good Bureacrat, but I chose to request the sysop tools primarily for the function of being the most effective while getting the new guild page policy implemented, and that will not be achieved as well if I am limited to the role of Bureaucrat.-- Wyn 13:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

True that, seeing how hands-on you are with the guild pages :) well, until you get bored/sick of the guild pages then ;) -- ab.er.rant 03:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Reversion

In the future, please be more careful when reverting. -- Gordon Ecker 00:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to, but based on my understanding of 1RR, I have done nothing wrong. Please be specific in your references. -- Wyn 01:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

This edit. According to Guild Wars Wiki:One-revert rule "A revert, in this context, means undoing, in whole or in part, the actions of another editor or of other editors. This includes both removing something an editor has added and adding back in something an editor has removed, but not changing, rewording, rearranging, or consolidating information that is not a change to a previous version, nor adding something new to the page. Undoing page moves ("move warring"), recreating deleted pages, and similar activities are also considered reverts.". -- Gordon Ecker 01:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

My first edit was a change not a revert as I moved his comments, Readem's was a revert as he replaced what was moved, my second was a revert as it went back to the move tag, according to this discussion I was not in violaton of 1RR. -- Wyn 01:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

It was noted at the top by a sysop that certain comments would be moved. Wyn, another sysop, carried out this enforcement by moving the content. Readem reverted, which was against the clear warning. Wynthyst continued the enforcement by reverting. I don't believe Wyn was in the wrong here. -- Brains12 \ talk 01:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and if I was in wikilawyering-mode, I'd argue that 1RR was created for articles specifically. -- Brains12 \ talk 01:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

That warning was not policy, Guild Wars Wiki:One-revert rule is, and it only makes exceptions for the reversion of vandalism, reversions supported by concensus (which does not yet exist regarding the proposal on Guild Wars Wiki talk:Community portal#Wiki talk pages are not forums) and reversions made by a user on their own talk pages. The refurbishment section is nother more than a request and declaration of intent. All proposals to give sysops special editorial or legislative authority have failed. -- Gordon Ecker 02:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Then we go into the realm of what's more important -- the functioning of a user talk page, or policy. I'd have to say the former, considering the latter impedes what's good for that page in this case. It may be worth waiting for the community portal discussion to reach a result before further action. -- Brains12 \ talk 02:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Again, I will point to the clarification discussion of 1RR. Since my original post was NOT a revert but a change, as I added a move tag, and moved not REMOVED the comments, I only reverted once, so this whole discussion is moot. Other than Readem, you Gordon are the only one that seems to be claiming that I violated 1RR. I'm sorry that you don't seem to agree with what I did, but I did it on the basis of the clarifications of 1RR that happened in the discussion I referenced above. Now... if you wish to continue discussing the change to Izzy's page, please take it to the discussion here.-- Wyn 02:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, you're right, it only applies to articles. -- Gordon Ecker 02:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Did you forget

that you can delete now? --> Dawn Of The Forest Main Hub --Kakarot 01:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

no, just wasn't sure if that was appropriate. -- Wyn 01:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ursan hate with a passion, same here except I use it when I do need it.

I saw your rant, very ranty =]. Its a shame that Ursan has made PvE spark with just a piece of wood and not with flint. Every group that farms I've been in always asked "hey blood do you have ursan?" and of course I add it but it does take the fun out of PvE sometimes. I'm glad they nerfed it though and with that update they made my zealous build pwn people in AB =]. --Blood234 05:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

{{User:Seru/name|}}

I miss my ursan. I used it with my Necro team. Now i actually have to play ele xD — Seru Talk 05:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I don't miss it too much, makes people use their actual profession =O wait, isn't that a scary thought? Lol but it does make some farming locations difficult, you know? --Blood234 05:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC) Talk

Yeah i dont like the limit or id still use it. I miss being able to tank for my 3x necro team — Seru Talk 05:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol don't we all? Yeh a 4 Dervish team worked well with it too, all had blessing and holy damage skills when you run out of blessing, actually come to think of it, it should still work =O.--Blood234 06:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)Talk

It can still be a pretty useful support skill since you dont lose energy. You now have to know how to think to use it correctly. — Seru Talk 06:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

yeh makes people spend more time learning how to use ursan correctly........not much thought into that though (Blood234 06:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)) Talk

Seru, I think you need to not use your Name template like a signature, and I think one per talk page is more than enough. :P-- Wyn 11:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

All better wyn? — Seru Talk 16:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

{{tl}} doesn't work with Userspace templates. You could do {{User:Seru/name|}}, though. --Chaiyo Kaldor חיו 16:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah i just wanted to break it down so it wouldnt take up too much space. — Seru Talk 16:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

But it's a red link! red... never mind, I'm sure it's the least amount of red being contributed on this page. --Chaiyo Kaldor חיו 16:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

No, this page has a lot of red. — Seru Talk 16:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm an Idiot sometimes

I can't believe i fell for the "I'm a GWteam admin" seriously I should've looked them up before I repeat what they said about have Tengu as a playable race..although that would be cool. I can't help it, its part of my blonde nature(Blood234 22:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC))

It's ok. But SIGN SIGN SIGN! -- Wyn 22:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

oops, didn't pay attention (Blood234 22:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC))

Ok thanks for the help on this confound thing -->(Blood waz here 18:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)).....haha i love it, i didn't realize you had to put "raw" up..(Blood waz here 18:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC))

Hi and thanks

Just thought I'd leave a message for you on your page for once, just thought I'd say thanks again for pointing out the policies on Guild spaces I needed to adhere to.

Also I hope you don't mind, but I used and slightly edited some of your templates for my own use, I probably should have asked properly, so here's your chance to say if you didn't want them used :). Thanks again — Cloud Xan 13:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The Guild namespace is my personal passion atm, I worked hard getting the policy changed, and am working hard to try to make it into a useful and valuable resource for the Guild Wars community. So I'm just trying to facilitate the implementation of the changes to make them as painless as possible for everyone, and getting guild page editors involved is an important step.

My templates are free to be used by anyone who wishes to, I just ask that if you wish to change them, you copy them to your own userspace, and change YOUR copies of them, not my originals, as mine are being used by people throughout the wiki and by changing my templates, you would actually be changing their pages as well.-- Wyn 13:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Well keep pointing out the wrong parts nicely like you did and I'm sure all will be cooperative :)

Good, thought it was best to check, oh and where I said "used and edited" I did mean versions I copied to my own user space, I would never edit anyone else's pages without their full permission. — Cloud Xan 16:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol I know you hadn't, but I've had some who have, so I thought it would be nice to mention it somewhere :D -- Wyn 18:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Bureaucrat request

Thank you very much for your encouragement, but as of right now I feel like I must decline. For last election, I decided to run to get a feel of what an election was like, and to get a good idea of what being a bureaucrat would involve. As you probably saw from my comments, I had no idea what a bureaucrat did at the beginning of the election. I do know now what being a bureaucrat involves, but at the same time, I feel like I have a lot to learn before running again. As someone said on my talk page for the previous election, I haven't contributed once to any pages on policy or the like, and before running again, I'd like to change that, and learn more about the duties involved with being a bureaucrat. With that said, I hope to sometime run again in the near future, but as of right now, I feel I am unprepared to launch my first "real" run at the bureaucracy. Thank you for your nomination of sorts, but I must respectfully decline.-Warior Kronos 14:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

That's cool, if I can be so bold as to make a few suggestions then. Watch the Policy page, and the Community Portal, there is a particularly interesting and controversial discussion happening on the CP talk page currently that you might find of interest, or have some valuable input for. There's no time to start learning like the present! -- Wyn 14:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Admin noticeboard

Erh... You DO realize that you don't need to do this anymore, do you? ^^U Remember that sysops have "discretion" between their attributions, and things like counter-vandalism aren't even logged in the noticeboard most of the time.--Fighterdoken 07:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm just still figuring it all out... and will probably make a few faux paux in the next couple weeks, so shoot me.. I'd rather be too careful than not careful enough.-- Wyn 08:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yet another question

Sorry, but I seem to understand that you're some sort of authority on guild pages. Anyway, historical, and therefore inactive guild pages get translations too, right? I would assume so, but I wanted to check before doing the big translations. --Chaiyo Kaldor חיו 01:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, all foreign language pages need translation. We aren't going to be deleting inactive guild pages any longer, just moving them to Category:Historical guilds for reference. -- Wyn 01:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Right, of course. It just seems that the biggest ones with the most actual words to translate are inactive. --Chaiyo Kaldor חיו 02:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Go figure :D -- Wyn 02:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Guild placement

Nah, this isn't about a policy, don't worry. =) My guild is floundering, and I just might disband it after much hours of hard work and gold. Anyway, do you think you might have a nice place for a primary monk in your guild or alliance? Or, do you know someone trustworthy that can help me raise my guild from the dead when I am not on it? I have stopped playing GW because of the lack of unity. Well, that's it. Anyone who reads this as well also has a shot of gaining me. --People of Antioch 04:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

PoA, of course you would be welcome in GOD :D, I dont' currently have any space in the alliance for another guild (though that might change soon as we have a couple of one man guilds that haven't been heard from for quite awhile now.) if you didn't want to disband, but if you choose to, GOD will happily take you and any guildies you have. Activity isn't a requirement, you just need to be ok w/being Luxon. -- Wyn 04:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I hate that hatchery. Also, your people will hate me for a bit (I have a few ranks in Kurzick title), lol. But I enjoy PvP as well. Got a few PvX people in GOD? --People of Antioch 04:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes and we don't care if you were once a Kurz, so long as you are now willing to come out of the darkness into the light :D And yes, we have some pvxers. How built is your guild hall? -- Wyn 04:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Just missing the materials (100 plat) I believe. --People of Antioch 04:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Let me make space for the guild in my alliance. I don't want all your effort and $$ to go to waste by disbanding, and we need more guilds with services anyway. Get yourself aligned Luxon. -- Wyn 05:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I just need your guild name and I'll invite. Message me in game. -- Wyn 05:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

PoA, I am an ex-kurzick; so they don't mind. Besides, you will be in my alliance, so I can bug ya more ;D --Shadowphoenix 05:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Oops! I didn't see you there. Sorry. Tomorrow. I'll look you up.--People of Antioch 06:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

HELP

68.122.12.121 block him PLEASE ive tagged 10+ pages of vandalism — Seru Talk 05:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

[1] — Seru Talk 05:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

NOTICEBOARD:P-- Wyn 05:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah sry bout that. — Seru Talk 05:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

When that happens use the noticeboard, it's what it's for, and the vandal template makes it easy to identify their contribs. -- Wyn 05:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah i know about both. The latter is real easy with GWWT — Seru Talk 05:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It still should go on the Noticeboard, not my talk page, or Auron's :P -- Wyn 05:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Understood :) You guys should have a link at the top of your talk page to those. — Seru Talk 05:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Why? It's in the support nav box on the left hand side of every page :P -- Wyn 05:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Pfft i only use that for the search bar :) — Seru Talk 05:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Silly you then, cuz there are some great links there, like Quick access links and Community Portal.-- Wyn 05:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I avoid The warzone — Seru Talk 06:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

The CP isn't the warzone, that's just the CP talk page atm, but the CP is where you can find out all sorts of fun stuff, well, not so much right now, but that's where community news is posted etc. -- Wyn 06:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll still stay a couple of pages away from the warzone. Just to be safe. — Seru Talk 06:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hiya

Just dropping by to say hello and good work on improving the wiki. It's encouraging to see you up and working on it even when you should be in bed. :) Good luck and keep up the good work! |Foul Bane| 09:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

LOL why is everyone telling me to go to sleep? Sleep is for WIMPS!, besides, I'm not done with this table yet :P -- Wyn 09:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Hear about M.O.X the golem?

I know for a fact this is real since there is a page on it, hopefully in september update....(71.102.34.83)

lol your logic is astounding :P but yes, I've heard about it.-- Wyn 19:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

yeh i gotgot to mention when the page was made, it was made my a GWadmin lol...when i read what i said, i sound SOOOO stupid. (BlOoD wAz hEre 20:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC))

Cleanup tagging

Policy wording aside, did we include the "guild tag" between the minimum requeriments for guild articles? Guild:Akatsuki Underworld is tagged for cleanup, but besides missing the tag, still complies with "minimum content" so i am not sure if it should stay as it is or not.

(added) By the way, i was not really asking the cleanup tag being removed, but wanted to include the "tag" between the requeriments under the argument that "all guilds have them", but then realized that "all guilds have guild leader" too, and we didn't reach consensus in making such information required, so i am eating my own words now... nomnomnom.--Fighterdoken 00:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess I don't know exactly what you are asking, yes the guild tag is part of the required minimum content. As are the infobox and nav bar if they are in an alliance and displaying alliance information. I guess I'm just really frustrated, and unhappy with how the whole minimum requirements ended up. It really spoils the entire spirit of the pages to have a semi completed infobox be enough, and having you remove cleanup tags because I have added the templates to pages is just making me want to cry. So I guess I will just refrain from doing any editing of pages, though that completely ends the community involvement in guild pages that I was hoping for. -- Wyn 00:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, no really going to contest the tag issue since i actually agree with it being "required".

The "infobox" issue has been discussed several times now. Up to the moment the policy was discussed, the general agreement (even though it was still contested by a few very vocal users) was that "content is anything that reveals information about the guild", instead of just "content is having a nice summary in the pagebody". The argument for this was that there was no real difference between having a infobox saying "leader=leadername; faction=luxon; type=PvX" and a summary saying "The guildname guild was created by leadername; we are a faction guild that enjoys type."

I can see where this thing got confusing in the policy with the mention of "basic formatting", but that line has to be read as "blank basic formatting" (or "guild infobox only including the guildname and tag") as per the previous talks.

As always, (if you or anyone of your team is captured by the enemy, the government will deny any involvement in your actions) if you feel this issue should be discussed again (as to change the policy), talk pages are available for that.--Fighterdoken 01:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm just tired of people who can't see past the words of the policy to the spirit of the policy, but meh, if you want to add hundreds of virtually blank pages to this wiki and have it be enough, who the hell am I to complain? I will just stop, it isn't worth this grief. -- Wyn 01:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and btw, I really don't like hidden comments, if you have something to say just say it.-- Wyn 01:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Please don't get me wrong, i am not trying to wiki lawyer. Check the discussion in the draft where we both actually took part about this issue, since after all the "spirit" of the policy is what we agreed there.

Is not my intention with this discussion to step into the "discretion" attribution of sysops, or actually contradict what would be "common sense" for most people (i mean, i probably would tag something that only includes "PvX" as aditional content too, and if i reverted it probably was a mistake), but to adress something that actually was not intended when we all agreed on the policy change.

In regards of hidden content, you can safely ignore mine. They never have to do with the actual conversation (or make sense, actually).--Fighterdoken 01:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

It's my own fault that I'm unhappy, I was the one that pushed to implement the changes now, for the simple fact that all discussion had seemingly died, no matter what I did to try to get it started again, and I didn't want to lose the changes we HAD been able to agree on, I'm just not ready to start fighting for more again, because just getting this implemented is causing me enough stress as it is. -- Wyn 01:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

u iz sysops can u helpz me

Are there two cinematics to the first mission in nightfall? If I remember right there are, but since you have had 20 billion dervshes, I wanted to ask. --Shadowphoenix 22:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

lol.. I have no clue... go do the mission and find out, it only takes 10 seconds. And learn to speak English if you are gonna post on my page :P-- Wyn 22:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

She stole my phrase. And I told you it was only a matter of time, Wyn. Calor 23:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

SRY

i'm so, so sry if i have giving u a hard time yesterday and today, and... i don't whant u to be angry at my... oh ye... and sry... --Orgeron 13:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries Orgeron, I know you are learning. and I'm not angry, just trying to help :D Feel free to ask any time you have a question, that's what we are here for :D -- Wyn 14:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Swashbuckler

I wanna enter that profession competition on community portal and the first guy set quite a bench mark. What I wanna do is make this, look like this. If you think you can help out, can you take it to my talk page? -- Spawn ‎ Legacy 15:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Spawn, you do not have to be finished with your profession to sign up. You have 1-2 months to work on it after you sign up :) --Shadowphoenix 15:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou Pheonix! I'm relieved. Still need help but. -- Spawn ‎ Legacy 16:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Spawn, I'm flattered that you think I would be able to make it nice, but, I have to respectfully refuse, since I'm a judge in the contest. I'm sure you will do fine, you have plenty of time to refine it. Also, you aren't being judged on your wiki coding ability, but on the viability of the profession you present.-- Wyn 16:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Pish posh, Wyn, pish POSH. D: I wanna make builds :'[ Any quarms with me asking competitors? Spawn ‎ Legacy 16:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You could ask, but I doubt they will help you as they wish to win :P. I would ask someone who isn't linked to the contest --Shadowphoenix 16:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, the list you want it to look like is a simple {{skill table}} if that helps :P -- Wyn 16:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Should I ask Pling? xD -- Spawn ‎ Legacy 16:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC) yeh simple as.. ><

Lot o boxes

This page can help us find all the categories :) and ppl help people find userboxes. I didn't get through all of them, but i will. — Seru Talk 04:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

My day

This says it all:

duh

-- Wyn 09:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess leaving messages for yourself also says something. Even if I don't know what. Backsword 07:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't have a "Journal" so I just wanted to share with my friends, who all seem to have this page watchlisted :P -- Wyn 12:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha. Wub Wyn, just sleep some and it will go away ;) - anja 08:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The history for this page is messed up o.O poke | talk 12:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Hah? Backsword 12:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The history for the whole wiki is messed up since it crashed yesterday. -- Wyn 08:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The server time has gone crazy! poke | talk 14:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

But you have to admit, it's pretty skilled to have answered somwthing before it's even asked. Backsword 14:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The wiki CRASHED yesterday? Dang, so that's why I couldn't get on it :P --Wolf 16:02, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Asking Permission too...

The Kommander is asking permission to copy the layout of your userpage for his own. Kommander Melander 07:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, just copy over the templates, but please don't change them.-- Wyn 07:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

can't see the problem...

This user has got a problem with his boxes...

like the topic says... can u help this wikin00b? :P

oh ye... sign --Orgeron 12:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what problem you are referring to. -- Wyn 16:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it o.O — Seru Talk 14:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Why World category was removed?

Hi,

I am HH guild leader and have created 'world' category for our guild that has players from all around the world. You seem to remove this category and put our guild to international. It is Ok in common sense, but in Guild Wars, since there are International, North American etc. districts, people form Americas may not want to join the guild just becase it is listed as international when they do their searching. Alternatevely our guild can be listed under all continents' sections separately, but it would by kind of silly, don't you think? Actually after 'World' Catgory was introduced, we got offers from other guild to form aliance because they have common goal: to build teams for 7x24 play. Do you think may be it was unnecessary to remove the category that helped players from around the world find each other?--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:HH LEADER (talk).

The World category was redundant to the International category, and the International category was already more heavily populated, while your guild was the only on in World. That's why it was deleted.-- Wyn 14:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I can't see....

There is to... much... purple! --Shadowphoenix 19:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Looks nice Wyn :) Although you should add something like cellpadding="4" to the first line of this page as it looks better having a bit of space between the outer borders and the content. --Kakarot 23:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

meh, I just wanted to standardize the look of my pages... you may have not noticed that I did it to all of them :P -- Wyn 00:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I knoz u liekz boxes

You all the userboxes? Well almost, im slowly moving them to that page. — Seru Talk 20:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice. When/if you get to the ones that are for guilds, could you please drop a note to the creators that they need to be moved to Guild namespace now because of the new guild page policy? In your note, could you please explain to them how to move them and give them the proper name to move it to Guild:<Full Guild Name>/userbox. Thanks! -- Wyn 21:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I have about 3 more categories b4 i get to guilds, so ill ask about it then. And I will prob move it to the mainspace after i finish it, right now its in "sandbox mode" --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Seru (talk). 21:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't belong in Mainspace.... but we will figure that out when you get to it. -- Wyn 21:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Well in the user area someplace, but im tired of people hitting edit and copying the whole page of code instead of using the template name. I keep finding them with the userbox template tag. Someone *wink wink* might want to write up a guide to adding templates/userboxes. — Seru Talk 21:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe someone *wink wink, nudge nudge* who actually deals with userboxes should add it to Help:Templates -- Wyn 21:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

No. i don't deal with userboxes =P lol. I might if i find more ppl with userbox template tag on their mainpage — Seru Talk 21:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

LOL! I've been chuckling over your summary comments to them. -- Wyn 21:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Jade Torn Kirin (monk)

Thats so weird that thing has a wand in its leg. — Seru Talk 04:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it IS a monk... :P -- Wyn 04:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I sitll dont think monks impail themselfs with their weapons . . . — Seru Talk 04:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is QUITE odd and unnatural looking.... --Wolf 04:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Wyn gets bonus points for getting a screenie with a vampiric Kirin. — Seru Talk 04:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

At least this guy carries his weapon in hand :) — Seru Talk 01:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!

Thanks for the help over at my guild's page, I appreciate it. I was having some issues with my internet connection, so a few of my edits didn't get through, but you cleaned up what was needed. :) AtraAstrum(talk) 20:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Always happy to help. -- Wyn 20:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm welcome and the hints on my new user page. :) Btw., yours is fancy - must have taken many hours of work to make it look like this. --Zelda Gareth 07:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Trust me, it didn't start out looking like this! It gets better as I learn new things about wikicoding. Take advantage of the help areas I suggested, and don't be afraid to edit and experiment, it's the best way to learn. -- Wyn 07:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Question

In your last communication you have indicated that you did not like any potential contributor to leave. Did you actually mean that you would consider me as a potential contributor with some specific task in mind and you are willing to leave our heated discussion behind? If so please explain, if not please provide instructions on how to close my profile on Wiki for I seem not being able finding them. Thanks and regards,HH LEADER 20:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Potentially, everyone is a valuable contributor. No one has any specific tasks in mind, you just help out on whatever needs to be done. And, if you truly no longer wish to contribute, just don't log in again. There is no way to "close" an account. Lord Belar 20:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I see any editor that takes the time to create a guild page, or anything else here as a potential contributor and I most certainly meant I would be sorry to see you leave, but at the same time, you need to understand the purpose of this wiki, and how it works. You keep referring to the categorization issue as OURS, or 'Your Team' as if there is a specific group of people that are in power. This is a community driven site, whose function is to document the game Guild Wars. The Guild namespace was provided for guilds to be able to document their existence, playstyle, achievements, recruitment policy, contact information to facilitate recruitment, and alliance affiliations. The Category structure has been created by the people who create these pages, not by some 'governing body'. In that creation it has gotten rather messy and unorganized, and all I have been trying to do is clean it up, consolidate it, and give it better organization so that it functions better.

The User namespace has been provided so that registered users can let the rest of the Guild Wars community know something about themselves, whether it's confined to in game activities or expanded out to real life is solely up to the user as long as the content remains within the boundaries of our (meaning the community as a whole) user page policy and other governing policies like No personal attacks which have been proposed, discussed adjusted and compromised on until consensus is reached.

What I found ridiculous about the previous discussion is that this is about a filing system for information. To place the sort of moral, ethical and political slant on it that you have with your statements "...such categorization going to revitalize and encourage mental Nation against Nation war stereotype...", "Young generation may not understand that especially those who had no relatives lost in WW II. Let's not make GW 2 == WW 2 in game world", "Don't let your Guild to slip on this dangerous path leading to a hatred." is bringing in issues that have no place here. All the categorization is is a means of organizing the information, and it's one that's been established by the people who use the wiki. I have simply taken on the task of cleaning it up to allow it to function at it's optimal level.

What I referred to as absurd was the user's comment that Defiant Elements was making racially charged statements because he used the term black (meaning hue, not race)in his analogy and bringing yet ANOTHER fallacy to the table. You say I said "No" to your request. What I actually did was provide you with the logical reasons why I had changed it, and why I felt it should remain that way, and you disputed the meaning of the word international. Several other people also agreed that the International guilds category was more prominently used and that the World guilds category was redundant. Had people supported the change from International to World, that's what would have happened. Instead this spiraled into a political and philosophical debate that is really out of place.

As Lord Belar stated, you are welcome to stay, and choose whatever task you see needs doing, you may wish to check out the Projects page to find out what ongoing projects there are and if any of them interest you, or simply create your userpage. If you do choose to stay, and wish to further your "Pledge by guild leaders" you may wish to move it to your userspace as the page it's currently on is only temporary and was only created to facilitate my category clean up. You may also wish to check out the Policy page to familiarize yourself with the policies that govern this wiki. Should you choose to stop contributing, Belar is also correct in that you can not remove your registration, you simply stop logging in, and you can use the wiki for whatever game information you may need.

As I said before I would hate to see a potentially passionate contributor leave, and am always willing to answer questions, help direct you to correct answers, or areas to discuss the various things, but again it is solely your choice. -- Wyn 21:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for prompt and well thought response. I will think of organizing my personal page on this Wiki and placing my pledge there. In regards of removing registration: haven't seen the policy stating records retaining period. It should subject to the jurisdiction of the country were records are physically stored. Supposedly it is the same jurisdiction as ArenaNet. I might think of placing an inquiry to get this policy explained if I did not overlook it.

Fallacy and a slant are yet other flattering labels I have earned. Hm, every day a new word or two to learn. Fallacy I like the most, because it is really hard to prove or deny logically. No reason to argue, just a note that in all my comments I've never labeled anyone.

Yes, I did mentioned group of 3, but only because responses from these people flied back instantaneously and the very same time and all three seem to agree with each other, support each other arguments and answer on behalf of each other. Yes, I protested against using color analogy in argument about nationality category, but did not label the person.

Should you have not rushed to enforce your ruling for deleting the "world guilds" category for a second time, you may have received an input from other players who do not go to Wiki daily. You still might have.

Steering towards more productive discussion: what about my proposition to create Playing Time Zone categories? This should really help players to find each other. The data for that should be available from statistics of ArenaNet servers showing pick times of servers’ utilization in particular district and a pattern of originating connections identifiable by IP address. I am sure they doing this already to optimize load on servers. If those categories are defined and players start using them that pattern can become more predictable leading, perhaps, to even better server optimization. Any thoughts?HH LEADER 07:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

You can feel free to create the categories, whether they will be used is up to the other users of the wiki. If they are not used, they will be deleted. As for the retention of information, you can see the deletion policy. I was not me or anyone that was actively participating in this discussion who retagged the World guilds category for deletion, see the message below, and check deletion log if you wish, and the discussion was not deleted so more comments might be posted. I actually removed the {{delete}} tag and had I seen it had been replaced before it had actually been deleted, I would have changed it from a speedy to a general to give the discussion the 3 day period. However I was composing my response to you when it all happened, again, you can see the time stamps in the logs.-- Wyn 09:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I should probably also explain a few things about myself to you as well. While I am a sysop (systems operator) on this wiki, and have access to additional tools to facilitate the maintenance of pages, I am for the most part just a editor of this wiki like any other. I have a personal interest in making the Guild namespace better, it is not an assignment, just a personal choice. I recently worked very hard to get some changes made to the guild page policy with a number of others who have the same interest, and the category clean up is just one piece of this process. It may seem to you that the discussion was some coordinated plan, and I can not deny that in my 10 months as an editor here, I have gotten to "know" many of the users that were a part of our discussion. They are people who are also active editors here, who work very hard to make this wiki successful in its purpose of documenting Guild Wars. We all monitor the Recent changes and often check out what discussions we are each involved in, and if it sparks our interest, we participate. That's the nature of a wiki community. We do however welcome input from anyone willing to also participate, though it may not seem like that to you at the moment. There are just some areas and ideologies that have no place here, one of them is the politicizing of issues. -- Wyn 11:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Wyn. I appreciate that the tone of our discussions has changed from extreme to normal. I will review my "Pledge to the Guild leaders" in attempt to remove aspects that may seem politically motivated even though they are more emotional in nature. Nevertheless, the message itself is lost and confusing in its current form. ‘Multilingual’, ‘World’, ‘Not A National’ guild should seem more like an 'apolitical' one, so there was no intention to politicize anything by definition, and same rules are laid down in the foundation of the guild. However, as recent experience shows, apolitism can be considered as an extreme politism depending on a view point. And I should take the responsibility for my comments being viewed this way, because at times wrong presentation delivers unwanted message.

About deletion: I have reviewed the policy but did not find a rule that defines the time period in which new category is safe from deletion before Wiki users start using it.

What is it?

Also because users firstly have to become aware of new category and secondly manually change their pages to include new tag(s), it could take some time. Guild Template includes Time Zone. Can this be used for collecting initial information on what time zones are currently listed on Guild pages?

Ideally Guild Template could be changed to include a link to the categorized Time Zone automatically. But for a first step I am looking for an answer whether statistics on time zones can be collected by running some sort of search tool on a back end (grep?).

Thanks-HH LEADER 18:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) The sense of politicizing the issue came from your statements comparing categorizing guilds by nationality to the national polarity of WWII and turning GW2 into a virtual WWII, which for almost everyone on this wiki is ancient history, and why the mention if not to politicize the issue? There is no time frame, that's why generally, categories are created by the people who are going to use them, which is why not every nation in the world is represented, nor every language, only those where there has been a want for it. So create a time zone category for your guild, and put it in it. That keeps it from being empty. If it catches on, and more guilds wish to do it, they can create categories for their time zone. There is no way to "advertise" it. If it doesn't catch on in 6 months or so, we will discuss removing the single time zone category. That's kind of how it works. Unfortunately, the info box will not work that way, as there are just too many variables of how people may list their time zones, IF they list them at all. That is why all categorization of guild pages is manual, other than the All Guilds category from the {{guild}} tag. -- Wyn 21:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Alas, my grandfather died in this war, so I may be more ancient, I think.

Anyhow, I have already thought about categorization along the same lines: people really need to create categories themselves when they need them, however from organization and categorization point of view a convention is needed that will help govern and streamline these efforts. Current categorization provides listing by 4 major categories : factions, language, natinoality and play style, however it cannot answer a query: where can I find, for instance, a Francophone people playing HA in EST, which is a really what one would want to know. To answer this question on 'adhoc' basis a database based application ( "guild registry" ) is needed. It's not that dificult to create one, but not possible in a Wiki. Just a thought: maybe ArenaNet should do this service for Guilds because no guilds - no game.

However, Wiki still can provide this answer through the conventional guide of creating specific category. What I have in mind is creating a naming convention for categories that will decribe a guild by all its dimentions ,thus be able to answer stated question.

This is the first draft: [LAN[_LAN[_...][_-X_UTC_+Y][_HA[_AB[_...]][_...], where LAN is 3 letter ISO code of language [list of languages][time zone in UTC (X and Y may be both negative or positive)][list of play styles][optional list of countries represented by 3 letter country code]. All dimentions in category name are linked by underscore or space. The description of this category on the very first line of this page, of course, should be meaningful.

Category name Example: ENG -5 UTC -3 HA ; page name ENG_-5_UTC_-3_HA It doesn't look so bad, and also should bring back search results on HA and ENG.

Benefits of this naming convention: categories are guaranteed to be unique and needed category that lists the guilds in question can be reached in one step. Please let me know if you like the idea and what you would like to improve or add before I start putting page together...

Thanks, --HH LEADER 02:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how to address your issue, as the search engine in media wiki works differently than most search engines. For one thing, someone would have to search Category:Guilds in UTC -5 and it's not necessarily possible to cross reference or layer search whatever for multiple recalls unless you just write a sandbox code in DPL, and then there are some issues with that. There would have to be a properly treed category Category:Guilds by timezone with each specific timezone subcategorized within it. I'm really too tired at this point to work out the specifics. -- Wyn 02:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The problem here, as Wyn says, is wiki's search system (or rather, lack of one that works). It is not possible to create cross references in search already, this is done through a plugin called DPL, which needs to be placed in an article to provide a result. There is also a limitation in the usefulness of categories. If we would have one category for each possible combination of language, timezone etc, that would not be possible to browse and use. Which is the simple reason we opposed adding a new category in the first place, wiki doesn't support a multitude of categories in that way :)
The simplest way to achieve this is to create timezone categories for your guild, let the rest of the guild community catch up and from there see what lists and cross-references we need to make. Another problem is the autocategorization. Our infobox is made in a very "free" way, which means you can enter basically anything into the timezone field. Autocategorization depends on that fields have a set few options, and everyone typing them the same way. We tend to avoid atucategorization of just that reason, it is often too hard and cumbersome to cover all options to prove useful :) - anja 14:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Anja. We should not expect huge flood of combinations of languages and timezones, if we were to go with my proposed approach. For people who speak Spanish, for instance, and live in Spain, Mexico and USA, only one or 2 categories will be needed, because of differences in timezone span acros those countries. By remembering that country is optional and alredy covered by nationality category, we are not going to end up with all possible combinations. Currently, there are only 6 language categories listed (no English, for it is assumed). If you and Wyn object, I'll submit, but why don't give it a try? After all if this approach is not accepted by the community we will see it. I can create Timezone category for my guild only, but because guild plays around the clock for we have people all around the world, for us it would be 'ANY', which could not serve as a valid example of using Time zone category alone. Why don't we try both ways: Separate Time zone categorization and a conventional approach I am offering and see which (or both or niether) are adopted by community? and, by the way, those conventianal categories I suggest will not be listed under general categories Wyn is working on, but under sometihng like "One stop for a Guild shop" ;-))Respectfully --HH LEADER 15:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe you understand what we are saying. Or maybe we aren't understanding what you are saying. Categories are, for the most part created by people who are going to use them, rather than created and left to sit empty. Any category having to do with Guild pages needs to be properly placed as a subcategory of Category:Guilds The Category:Guilds by language branch is just now being created, as I get through the many guild pages, which is why there are currently only a few, and they are being created as a special circumstance to assist ArenaNet in collecting statistics while they discuss creating and supporting other language wiki's. Because languages are spread through the world, to do what you are proposing (if I understand correctly) would mean creating 24 categories for each language, 24 categories for each play style, etc. What we are recommending you do is create the time zone category you wish for your guild page, placed properly within the category tree. Talk about it on your userpage, with other guild leaders in game, etc. If other guilds choose to follow in your footsteps and create timezone categories for their pages, and it becomes a standard way to categorize, great! It doesn't mean that the Category:Guilds by nationality branch of the category tree will be eliminated, as that is an established form of categorization, unless or until those categories are emptied by the guilds who have chosen to use them.-- Wyn 16:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we have a little misunderstanding. I'll try to clarify. The proposal is not to create time zones that match current existing ones, but rather 'players’ acceptable time zone' that spans across few real ones. Let's take my example above ENG -5 UTC -3 HA. This means that English speaking guild is open for players who are in zones from -5 UTC to -3 UTC and they play mainly HA.

So, all English speaking guilds who are in the same 'players’ acceptable time zone' can list their guilds under this category by placing additional tag on their pages without removing any existing tags. As it can be seen, there could be more or less these categories in comparison to real ones, but I suspect it would be less because people usually play more then 1 hour and would be tolerant to have players from at least [-1 +1] zone to their actual zone covering 3. Some real time zones also will newer be in play zones, because we have oceans ;-) I think it's also about 3-4 hours an 'average' player would play, so they can all meet within their playing time zone. I am no longer suggesting eliminating or by any means diminishing any other categories that already are in place. This was an absurd as you were saying; for I was under wrong assumption that people are forced into them after the fact when 'world' category I've created was substituted on my page to 'international' one.

I also do not suggest creating empty structure of categories as I understand that Wiki can not have hollow spaces as any other living organism.

What I was planning to do is creating a simple single page explaining the convention for creating categories that will have a complete summary of all Guild dimensions, such as Language, Player zone, type of play (and if they wish so, a country). I was not going to create those categories myself.

This convention can be discussed on this page and improved if people are interested, but enforced, so duplicate entries like ENG FRA -5 UTC -3 PvX and FRA ENG -5 UTC -3 PvE will not be allowed because those are the same languages and PvE is subset of PvX.

The benefit I am seeing that by using this convention people could access needed information in 1 step. This does not replace categorization by nationality, but rather coexist with all existing ones.

Hope I was making myself a little bit clearer this time.

Let’s discuss. HH LEADER 17:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so what you need to do is draft a Formatting guideline proposal and open it up for discussion. If you can get a community consensus it will become an accepted guideline. However, you have to consider how the search mechanism works, someone would have to enter the EXACT timezone name as you have created it for it to be usable, and I don't think what you are proposing will function that way, as there are simply too many variables to be taken into consideration.-- Wyn 17:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Maybe we should not worry too much about search in this case because category with this approach will give search results in 1 step. The page that lists these categories will still be found the same way, thus allowing to reach desired result. Also accordingly ANJA the Wiki search is not effective now anyway, so maybe we should not expect finding a very specific categry that way in one step anyhow.HH LEADER 17:27, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

If someone searches Category:American guilds they are taken to the list of guilds who have added that category. It is a simple straightforward search, which makes it usable and beneficial to anyone looking specifically for and American guild. Same with the language guilds, if someone searches Category:French speaking guilds they get a list of guilds that are in that category. This makes them functional for the general population. -- Wyn 17:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

A proficient Wiki surfer will do that if she/he is looking for specific category, yes. But if ordinary new to Wiki user like myself enters French speaking guilds in search box she/he gets no results. What dummies like me do is go to short cut 'Players guilds' on Main Page and get the info they need. I somehow have a feeling that it would be most of users. I even did not know what a category is a few days ago. If this is true, then mission is accomplished. In a discussion at Category_talk:Guilds people were wondering how they can put 2-3 languages together. I am offering may be not perfect but one of the ways to do that. Can we try my idea and see? If it does not work, a "convential" page can be deleted. I am afraid that if I go with the formating guidlines process the idea will never see daylight.HH LEADER 18:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

If you wish to start the draft for the formatting guideline in your userspace and see what kind of discussion you get there, that's fine, but you can't put it in Mainspace (if that's what you mean by conventional page), as the Mainspace is strictly reserved for documenting the game. -- Wyn 01:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Is Category:Guilds in Main Space? Lists of Players' Guilds and their categorisation are technically not a game documentation, interpretation or a guide in a sense,- more an advertisement engine of sort. If it is in a Main space why is that?--HH LEADER 02:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

No, that's in Category namespace (the namespace is what comes before the :) All that link takes you to is the category list of Category:Guilds, not a page article.-- Wyn 02:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

So, can I or can I not create a single page similar to your Category:Guilds/Category table page and place a link on Category:Guilds under "See Also' exactly like you did, so people can leave their comments regarding my proposal? Thanks. HH LEADER 03:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Well, it's not the proper place for it, what you should do is create your proposal in your userspace, and then put a link on Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for comment to draw people that may have an interest into the conversation. The page I created was just a category reference table, so I could easily access the entire category tree at a glance, not really something that needed discussion. -- Wyn 04:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

What you are offering me essentially is to keep my contributions to my user space. Not sure that I am contained with that. Let's say I have created page in Guild:Category space that is not main space as you confirmed, and a new category that I feel is needed to describe my guild (like North Pole, for instance(just kidding)) and attached to this page and added my guild to that category, so it isn't empty and not redundand to any other existing category. Do I have a right to do so and what would be your reaction to that as sysop if you consider the fact that I am offering an additional way of categorization on which you are working on, and even it may seem to you as a competing one, so it looks like conflict of interest to independent observer, but really will only complement it, so in fact it isn't, and in reality belongs to Guild:Category space? Will you be looking for a way to rule it out or let it be? Thanks. HH LEADER 04:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

What you are talking about is creating a formatting guideline for categorization of guild pages, and there is a community approved, and established way to go about doing that, which is to create a formatting guideline proposal. You can feel free to create it as a proposed guideline in the same way everyone else does, which doesn't include attaching it to the category namespace. If you wish to launch it directly as a guideline proposal, it should be made a subpage of Guild Wars Wiki:Formatting with the other formatting guidelines. I merely suggested you start it in your userspace to 'work out the kinks' and get some initial feedback before making it an official proposal to spare you from having it ripped to shreds by the community at large and kept for perpetuity as a failed proposal. You can create any category for your guild page you wish, and it won't be removed if it's not redundant to an already established category, and placed properly within the category tree. This isn't personal, I'm just trying to help you understand how things are done here. I'm all for anything that makes the wiki better, the Guild namespace in particular, but there are rules about how things are done, and just creating a guideline and posting it is not one of them, it has to be offered to the community, discussed and agreed upon before it gets implemented. Creating a new category in and of itself is not a problem, but telling others they should also be using it requires a formal guideline that has gained community consensus. -- Wyn 05:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:World guilds

I noticed you removed the delete tag, most likely in an attempt to end the discussion on the talk page (that is an asumption on my part). I just wanted to tell you that I will be marking it for deletion under G6 and C1 (now that it is empty) I will avoid making a note about its redundance. (btw, I don't think it is a violation of 1RR if I put the delete tag back on, since the page was editied after I placed the delete tag; feel free to warn me or something if I am mistaken) If there was concensus reached that the category shouldn't be deleted, I couldn't find it and feel free to revert me :-) --Shadowphoenix 21:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I had actually removed the tag because of the ongoing discussion regarding it's existence on the talk page, and I did not want to see it get deleted in the middle, but I believe it has come to a conclusion so it shouldn't be a problem.-- Wyn 21:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Damn was too slow with the unsigned

Heh :P --Kakarot 10:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh :P -- Wyn 11:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletifications.

Ah, Wyn, you can't use A1 outside mainspace. Even when the page truly deserves it. I've asked for nongeneral speedys for the Anet namespace, but sadly, was refused. Backsword 01:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It was a move remnant redirect. So sue me. -- Wyn 01:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Can I ask for cats, in damages, if I sue? Backsword 01:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

If nobody's gonna contest it, don't bring it up. Unless you have a problem with that particular page being deleted, which I don't believe you do... Calor 01:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

No secrets here, Calor. Backsword 01:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Being quite serious here, Backsword - please don't bring up nitpicky issues if they're not actually issues. It's not productive and just gets on peoples' nerves. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 01:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not a nitpick. Try to look up from the specific case to the principle. Backsword 01:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

"The principle of the matter" is so often just an excuse to nitpick. Was there going to be any actual problem arising from someone using the wrong speedy tag once? No. Even if it was, there's a difference between providing help ("You could use G4 as a housekeeping redirect for that sort of thing") and just being a pain ("you can't do that"). (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 01:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not the first time I see Wyn using A1 outside mainspace. Since it happened again, I thought the information would be useful to point out. Which I did quite lightheartedly. So I'd appreciate if you explain what you mean by "excuse". Backsword 01:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) For once, why don't you look up from the principle to the specific case? It's truly annoying to be harassed and nitpicked about every single action that is not done just "exactly so" in your eyes. While it may seem like I've been here forever, I know it does to me, I really haven't, only 10 months, and I've been a sysop for all of 2 weeks, so I'm still figuring stuff out. I wish just ONCE you would cut me some slack as it's truly starting to feel like a personal persecution. -- Wyn 01:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm gunna jump with a small comment, even my OCD would lead me to just say "Hey, you did this and your not supposed to do it that way. Next time, please do it this way." Just shouting at someone (or saying) "You did it wrong!" is rather counter-productive. --Wolf 01:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about. I even checked your archives, and the two other times I posted I wasn't even addressing you. Backsword 01:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Let's see, the resizing of the hero armor renders, the guild page policy, using the wrong delete tag.. those are the 3 that come immediately to mind... -- Wyn 02:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

:(

I still ya wyn — Seru Talk 01:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I need to use this once more.

From all of us =D Hey Look! My Wub Art is an image now! You can scale it! =D --Wolf 01:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:User created skills

The idea is nice, though do you think it's ok to create subcategories named according to the user's idea? Yeah, it's quite unlikely that something like a "Swashbuckler" becomes an official term, but in some other cases, the names could become confusing, either because their name is conflicting with other users ideas, or because they are supposed to be a category that includes some official skills. Don't you think we should possibly create "categories in the user namespace", or is that nonsense in your opinion? —ZerphaThe Improver 09:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

WTH is a Swashbuckler ~ Kurd 09:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

A brigand or thief swordsman. -Auron 09:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Tsk, include me. Personally I reckon people experienced enough to know how to do whatever I just did (with help) would have the courtesy to keep things as clear as day. If not, someone is bound to come across the problem, the user notified and the name changed. If there's anything conflicting with the ridiculous number of useless pages I've created let me know. -- Spawn ‎ Legacy 10:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

When I did it I was just looking for a solution to a specific problem, and Skills seemed the obvious place to put it, and naming them after the profession that the user was creating seemed the most obvious. All the pages in the category are in the user space, I honestly don't see it becoming a problem. -- Wyn 13:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

If anyone else enters Shadow's comp, most people would probably make skillsAngel's way anyway. Don't worry bout it ma boi. -- Spawn ‎ Legacy 14:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, my plan was to make numerous sub-pages for my little creation. I also plan to make specific skill page for each skill. But maybe that's just me. -- NUKLEAR ^IIV 14:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, i actually don't have a problem with that. I was just wondering as images and regular pages are also kept in the userspace for a reason. But how should "regular" userskills of existing professions be categorized then? —ZerphaThe Improver 15:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Boxen

:D — Seru Talk 16:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

pls

stop removing alliance nav. It affects nothing, does no harm, and is better than a stub. It will also, never be changed. STEP members are too lazy. --Readem 02:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

If it's going to be used, it needs to be used properly which means using full guild names not tags. If you know the guilds in the alliance, then add the full names, but please stop replacing the tags only. Thanks.-- Wyn 02:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

why? That is retarded; it was a stub before. --Readem 02:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Nuu

Looks like you do need to sleep sometimes, where's Wyn when I want someone to talk to D; Jennalee 10:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Where do I get template for a clock?

Clock and TOC: where do I get them? --HH LEADER 19:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The only clock I have is the one in my talk page header, and the TOC shows up automatically once a page has at least 3 sections. You could try looking through Category:Templates -- Wyn 02:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

The TOC can be forced by adding __TOC__ where you want the TOC, iirc. Calor 14:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Calor: you are saying little but helping a lot!--HH LEADER 03:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Calor: The strong, silent type. Lord Belar 03:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Your honor, I rest my case. Calor 04:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Now for something guild related...

Okay, my next RC hike is planned out. Anyway, do you see a problem with me tagging inactive guilds now? I've been leaving it alone for a little while now, with all the discussion and such, and was wondering if it would pose as a problem for anyone? --People of Antioch 05:49, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I haven't finished tagging for language, started to go nuts, but sure. The only thing is, if they are non English pages, they need to be tagged with {{Guild translation needed|<language>}} rather than inactive. We have gotten through A-O and half of P and then I think we tagged the end of the alphabet like W-Z. All I ask is you maybe do them 25 a day or so, since the inactives will all have to be stripped and moved after 3 months, and I'd rather not have to do more than 25 a day :D I think Tomato actually started tagging some, and Storm had done some right after the change. -- Wyn 05:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Aww, 25 a day? I was thinking of blowing up RC (and, apparently, your brain) in a single Sunday. But I'll try to keep that in mind then.--People of Antioch 06:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, consider the work that is going to go into moving them to historical in 3 months... they have to be stripped of categories, and images (other than the cape), moved, cape images have to be moved, and any other cleanup that is necessary. I'm not sure how many people are going to be doing it other than me, so yeah, 25 a day is reasonable. -- Wyn 06:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

And now for something completely different...

...a man with three buttocks. *Defiant Elements* +talk 05:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

...a man with a tape recorder up his nose. - Y0_ich_halt 11:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

o_O Jennalee 09:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

...the larch. ... The... Larch. ... - Y0_ich_halt 11:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

You guys are just wierd............-- Wyn 14:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

haven't watched monty python's flying circus enough yet? - Y0_ich_halt 15:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Of course I know where the reference comes from, I'm OLD remember? Doesn't mean you all aren't wierd :P -- Wyn 15:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

what's weird about quoting monty python? xD - Y0_ich_halt 15:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Everything is weird about quoting Monty Python :P -- Wyn 15:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

That's what makes it so funny =D --Wolf 17:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

What a senseless waste of human life.... -- Wyn 17:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

What, Monty Python or this topic? --Wolf 17:43, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Guess you don't know your Monty Python as well as you thought :P -- Wyn 18:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

No, I just wasn't sure what you where refering too. I've seen a good deal fo Monty Python, but not all of it. Pretty much just all their best stuff. --Wolf 18:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

It's from The Cheese Shop, and one of the most on topic quotes there is :P -- Wyn 18:09, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, can't say I have seen that one, but I could easily have. It's been a while since I have seen/heard anything monty python. --Wolf 18:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

It's a classic, and available on youtube. -- Wyn 18:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

What ISN'T availavable on youtube? --Wolf 20:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

LaZy Nation Guild Page

Hey Wynthyst, firstly thankyou for fixing up our page (removing the trash talk).
I was wondering if perhaps we can get the page locked somehow so people cannot deface it, basically there is no more content on there that will be changing.
And when and if it does it won't be much and I'm sure i could ask an admin to get it unlocked to make the change and re-locked.
I know it seems selfish me asking for just our guild-page to be locked, but our alliance does cop alot of trash-talking from other guilds, the reason unknown.

Thanks in advance --Kei Miyaichi 17:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it wasn't me that did that, I just removed some extraneous code. and no, unless there are repeated vandalisms within a short period of time, we won't protect a guild page. If we place a protect on it, no one but an admin would be able to edit it, or would have to unprotect it any time a legitimate editor wished to. Don't worry, it's fairly heavily patrolled by a number of editors. Any vandalism is usually reverted within a few minutes. It's pretty much how the wiki works. -- Wyn 17:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, well thank's for cleaning up the code. I fixed my siagnature, was unaware the policies had changed. --Kei Miyaichi 00:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know that has always been the policy, at least it has for as long as I've been around. If you would like other admin opinions about the protection of Lazy's guild page, you can feel free to ask on the Admin noticeboard. -- Wyn 00:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Cinematics

Heya Wyn, just wanted to say I updated the cinematic guideline, please take a look and see if you agree with the changes. They would mean this page needs a rename, though, I think. Also, there seems to be something wrong with your talk page; while I absolutely support creative layouts (I love 'em!) I doubt you meant your TOC to blend with the text =o Why 10:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Huh? TOC's fine, not "blending" with anything. Calor 15:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah if you have the toc down on a smaller page it overlaps the text. — Seru Talk 15:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

No, it looks fine. It's pushing the text down as it gets larger. -- Wyn 16:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by 'Title card' I chose the name for that page, because it's what appears at the top of the page when it's loading. I actually started it as Greed and Regret until I saw that, thinking that's what you meant by Title card. If it needs to be moved I have no problem with it. -- Wyn 16:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, title card is what was used to describe the "titles" of the EotN cinematics. I just made these changes so we have a standard we can work with, so if you have an idea that might work better, by any means change the guideline. You're a great asset to the cinematic project :) About the TOC, I think it's my browser acting wierd, but this is what I see. Why 16:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries, moving that cinematic isn't a problem, and I can delete and reupload the images. -- Wyn 16:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

About the TOC, That's weird as the TOC and the header are in a separate table from the text, and have a {{clear}} tag after. What browser are you using?-- Wyn 16:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Firefox, I think 2.0. It surprised me aswell, since I've allways been able to view your talk page without any problems. It does look perfect in IE though. I might try to experiment a bit with it in my sandbox, if you dont mind. Why 17:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I use Firefox 3.0 and it looks fine to me as well. -- Wyn 17:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Looks fine on FF3, IE7 and Opera 9.5 Lord Belar 17:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

You guys convinced me, downloading FF3 :P Why 17:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, updated and looks perfect. Sorry to bug you ;) Why 17:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries. I love it when my talk page fills up with chat... (oh.. that's right, sarcasm doesn't translate to text well!) BTW, on topic, I've moved the cinematic to here and corrected the image names and nav box link.-- Wyn 17:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I use firefox 3 as well nothing wrong zooming in or out "minus each letter getting as large as monitor xD" Blood 23:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

colors

you cans help me pick colors? — Seru Talk 23:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the color ideas! They will be on my userpage. — Seru Talk 21:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

WYN!Your colors are on my page right now — Seru Talk 02:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

thought you might enjoy this...

I couldn't fix it but these two are just funny.Blood 02:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC) <removed userboxes because I don't want to be categorized>

(Edit conflict) I want both of them! However, unless the second image was expected to be deleted, you're going to have to reupload that one as a User image too. I can only count three letters in the title. Pretty sure that's not a valid image name, and check its license, too. --חיו Chaiyo Kaldor 02:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I ask questions to everyone :D— Seru Talk 02:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

There ya go, for some reason my sig got reverted and no one reverted it. Blood 05:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Its my own image and stuff, needent to worry anymore Blood 05:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

sorry about Categorizing you in the user box

Sorry, I got carried away with it. You can tell right? With all my user boxes that I made within an hour Blood 20:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

MSN smiley's belong on MSN not in wiki talk pages. not to mention they are all copyright violations. Please stop using them. -- Wyn 20:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

These new ones aren't, double check. I made sure of it! Blood 21:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

What am I doing wrong?

You have added a Guild Cleanup tag to a Guild article. I don't want it to be deleted so could you at least tell me what i am doing wrong?

Guild:Snowballfights_On_The_Beach_Are 85.144.149.13 16:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Have you read the guild page policy? You are adding content that doesn't belong, things like builds. -- Wyn 16:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I will re-read the policies again as they seem to have changed and I am not up-to-date anymore. I'll ask my fellow editers to read it too. Thank you.16:33, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

give a gif

i've got some images here which i wanna make into an animated gif. any idea on how to do it? - Y0_ich_halt 09:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I need to learn how to do it aswell =\. Blood 16:30, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

If you have Photoshop/Image Ready, try this -- Wyn 16:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks :) - - Y0_ich_halt 18:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks too. Blood 21:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

can you

Can you please tell my guild that due to computer issues I won't be able to play for a bit. Thanks. Blood 22:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Cinematic image description

I hope you are not still angry about that edit i made.
I made a header proposal here, please let me know what you think. —ZerphaThe Improver 09:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Images

How can I remove an image out of a page? I know how to replace the image but I currently don't have an image to replace it with. I dont want the image that is there to be there.

--Jack Grunt 20:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Simply remove the link. If you are going to replace the image eventually with the same name, you should add it to the Category:Not orphaned images by simply adding that to the edit screen. If there is anything else I can do to help, please ask. -- Wyn 20:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)