Guild Wars Wiki talk:Elections/2009-06 bureaucrat election/Wynthyst

Appointing Wynthyst to bureaucrat would be ArenaNet running the wiki. 99.151.188.105 23:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

In other words, things turn out for the better! Its a Win Wyn situation. -- Wandering Traveler 23:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

@OP: whachutalkin'bout? --Riddle 23:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

@OP, Wyn doesn't work for ArenaNet, she just contributes more then most other bureaucrats and sysop's (no offense).--'ÑöẊĭƑý 23:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Me as a bureaucrat

First I want to say, I am always surprised at the number of personalities that various groups of this community assign to me.

There is a relatively significant number of people that think I'm some type of ArenaNet puppet just because I have been active in working with the ArenaNet staff here, most of whom are either novices on the wiki, or so crammed for time that assistance is necessary for them to be effective on the wiki, and I have been very vocal on my position regarding how they (and everyone else in this community) should be treated.

Then there is the group that seems to feel I'm some fascist bitch determined to stamp out "Freedom of Speech" and squash the "little" people under my boot like bugs. That I'm rude, and uncompromising.

There are also those in this community that believe I'm a giant carebear, afraid of confrontation and will buckle under the slightest pressure. I try to be as helpful and welcoming to new wiki users whether it's answering questions, or helping them set up wiki pages.

Lastly come the Wyn fanclub that seem to think it's cool to defend me against all criticism, and who heap upon me praise undeserving. (You all know who you are, and while I appreciate your support, I'm not on some kind of pedestal and don't strive to be.)

With all these aspects in mind, my actions and decisions have, in my opinion, always been geared toward making this wiki better, and its community stronger. I know I don't always do/say the right things, but I am also the first to admit my mistakes and offer apologies and reparation where needed.

If after considering all these things, enough of you wish me to be a bureaucrat on GWW, I will accept the nomination. I would however like to see some actual discussion, not just "FTW!" -- Wyn 02:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Inauguration Speech ready Wyn? This is gonna be easy for you! --DAVA 05:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'd prefer to see Wyn remain an active sysop. Being a bureaucrat can interfere with that to prevent conflicts of interest. Misery 06:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I think its funny how people like to call you an ArenaNet puppet... maybe cause I know you a bit better idk. I have seen you oppose some of Anet's decision making and actually get at least somewhat angry about it. Especially the concise skill descriptions, that was fun. Wyn is far from a bitch, that is for sure; one of the nicest people you will ever meet imo. I think that Wyn could help better the wiki even more than what she is doing now by becoming a bureaucrat, even if she continues to be a sysop I would be happy. Oh yeah also.... FTW! --Shadowphoenix 14:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I personally agree with Misery. I think (i have to say this now after getting many policies wrong after reading them) that bureaucrat seat interferes with sysop powers, and Wyn has shown me she is a capable leader, who uses her powers and authority well in user conflicts (particularly MINE), and she has a good knowledge of wiki code. Who else would i steal a template from for a userpage? Not to say that she doesnt deserve a bureaucrat seat, but rather that she doesnt need it because she is doing a great job already. By the way, thanks very much Wyn for all your help, and good luck in this election.--Burning Freebies 17:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed with Burning there. Wyn does a good job already as sysop, good enough actually as to be a problem for the wiki if she stops doing it. She being elected as a bcrat would actually be detrimental for the wiki, imho.--Fighterdoken 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Misery. Personally, after Wyn's recent input into a Guru related topic on this Wiki I would be cautious about advancing Wyn further; though she attempted to rectify the situation she did over-step a boundary (in regards to privacy, a line that shouldn't be crossed if one wishes to be taken seriously) that didn't need to be crossed, a one time thing perhaps, but still an element that does cause concern.

Though I am not always the most 'constructive' member of the wiki I would prefer her in her current position. 000.00.00.00 09:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm kind of regretting my statement now, partially because of the "I agree with Misery"'s that are coming from it. My intention was to attempt to open a proper discussion instead of "Wyn is FTW!", but now it almost looks like a smear campaign or something. I apologise for that. I should have been more careful as with Gordon pulling out it looks as if Wyn and I could be in direct competition again, if you compare this election to the last one. Misery 09:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

People are sharing a similar view to you, Misery, would you rather we echo in but in differnt words?

[makes the 'hand me the ectos on the low' motion] Dude, pay up!!!! >:| I kid, of course. Don't take it too seriously, Misery, you've had two people agree with you, and one person doesn't even know who the hell you are. ^_^ 000.00.00.00 09:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It's ok Mis, I didn't take it as a smear by the competition. As for the "I agree with Misery" comments, if you hadn't said it, someone else would have, since the issue of keeping me as an active sysop rather than adding the restrictions of a Bcrat has come up in both of the previous elections that I've participated in, and has been responsible for many of the opposing votes I've received.

As I said, I do my best to stay focused on what is best for the wiki, I'm not always successful as 000 points out, I do occasionally make mistakes, which as my original statement indicates, I am adult enough to own and do what I can to repair. I personally don't know anyone here who hasn't made the occasional human mistake, meh, even Wikichu screws up once in a while! -- Wyn 09:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

As a user who errors alot... oh my, just look at my paragraphs above >.<, I understand everyone makes mistakes it just the different kinds of mistakes that, for me at least, raise flags. I wish you luck. 000.00.00.00 10:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Why do you have to drag Wikichu into this? :P poke | talk 14:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Was a very small attempt at humor poke... nvm /facepalm -- Wyn 14:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

As a founding member of the Wyn fanclub, can I just say that while you may be a fascist bitch carebear puppet, you're our fascist bitch carebear puppet and we love you :) --snograt 05:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You have my vote :D

=D--Unendingfear 14:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Questions

I would just like to ask these questions, if you don't mind.

• Why do you want to be a Bureaucrat and what qualities do you possess that you believe would make you a good Bureaucrat?
• What is your opinion on strictly literal interpretations of policy vs. "spirit of the policy" interpretations?
• How might your decisions in previous ArbComm decisions have differed from those given by the Bureaucrats?
• How would you define the Bureaucrat's role on GWW?
• What is your stance on trolling/disruption/incivility/harmfulness? How is that stance justified given the current status of those issues within our system and culture?
• What do you think the proper role of ArbComm is?
• How might you use the Bureaucrat position differently than other Bureaucrats have?
• In what way(s) would your decisions in arbitration be affected by the weight of a user's general history of valued contributions (or lack of such)? Would user valuable-ness reliably translate into some extra degree of leniency from you? -- §Lacky§ Talk 07:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

• My wish is to serve the GWW community in the way it feels I can make the most positive contribution. In this election, I have not sought this nomination, and at this point have not even accepted it, instead I've asked for discussion. As to my qualifications, I have been an active (some would say over active) sysop for 9 months. I know and understand the policies that have been adopted by this community through discussion and consensus. In general I get along with people, and am generally willing to listen to all sides of a situation, and am for the most part able to communicate effectively. Again, I'm not perfect, I'm human, I have my moments of insanity just like everyone else, but as a general rule I have a strong helping of "common sense" which is often enough to bring me to a middle ground when trying to find resolutions for disputes.

• I have always stood by the ideal that the spirit of the policy > word of the policy. In all but a few instances I believe this to be true. One major exception is the Copyright policy as that is grounded in legal requirements and has been dictated to us by ArenaNet.

• In the few instances of ArbComm cases that have come before the bureaucrats since I've become an active member of this community, I have not seen an area where I feel my decisions would have differed. In each case adequate evidence was presented and what I feel were proper steps were taken in making fair and reasonable decisions.

• I believe the role of Bureaucrat primarily serves the community as the final arbiter of user disputes through the ArbComm process, and the promotion/demotion of sysops based on community concensus through the RfA process. On other rare occasions, Bureacrats may be called on to alter user permissions to facilitate special circumstances, mostly pertaining to ArenaNet staff and Bots or as we may see soon setting up a task force to do the initial set up of the new Feedback namespace structure. I do believe that the Bureacrats are seen by the community as leaders, though that is often a misinterpretation of the actual role, but there none the less, and as such should demonstrate a positive example of community spirit, as well as maintain a focus on the overall purpose of GWW, to document Guild Wars.

• I am a firm believer that you attract more bees with honey than vinegar. That being said, I believe that every member of this community has the right to be treated in a reasonable manner. I don't feel that trolling/incivility/disruption has a very valid place in any thriving community. That being said, I have no problem with reasonable debate to resolve issues, or voicing honestly dissenting views, but there are many ways to "get the point across" that don't require profanity and personal attacks. General asshatery serves no purpose other than immature seeking of attention. A bit of fun between friends is one thing, but when it becomes a problem for other members of the community it's time to stop.

• I believe the role of ArbComm is to deal with user disputes that have gone beyond the normal scope of the sysops ability to handle. Users who repeatedly and knowingly violate policy or who show a general disrespect for the community at large should be dealt with by ArbComm which is the final voice in dispute resolution.

• I don't believe it's really possible to use the Bureacrat position in any way other than has been laid out by the Administrative policy.

• I think any user that has reached the point of facing an ArbComm has proven that regardless of past positive contributions, their overall attitude is generally harmful to this community. The small number of ArbComm cases that have been brought before the Bureaucrats for review proves that in general this community is relatively lenient. I do believe that any user that has been disruptive enough to face an ArbComm review who has not at some point been a positively contributing member of the community would more likely face a quicker decision, but not necessarily a more harsh one.

If any clarification of these answers is required just ask.

-- Wyn 08:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

My wall of text had more characters, I consider this a great victory. Misery 08:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

/Kicks Misery in the shins! -- Wyn 08:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I would like everyone to note Wynthyst's excellent conflict resolution skills. Good luck Wyn! :D Misery 08:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

LOL! I consider this a case of "A bit of fun between friends" -- Wyn 08:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Bureaucrats do not have fun since they are not human. They same applies to teachers, policemen, chancellors and any other sort of an appointee. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 08:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

We still both have at least until the end of June to be human. Misery 08:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool - when are you gonna start? snicker --snograt 08:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

You

Have my vote as well <3. Dark Morphon 15:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

much love. --Cursed Angel 01:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hai CA <3. Dark Morphon 12:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Question

I'll start out by saying that you've been nothing but helpful to me on the wiki; though I've only asked a few questions, you've answered them with neither arrogance nor any other negative connotation. I'd like to know a couple projects (if you feel like disclosing them) you are looking into putting forth; I looked at your list on your page, and it seems like those are ongoing if not already completed.-- BVt 01:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I tend to just wander around the wiki these days, seeing what everyone is up to, and just finding areas that need work. When I started editing here, I had identified a few very large holes in the game documentation and decided to fill them. There aren't so many holes anymore. This community has done a great job documenting the game. So now I look at things that will improve the way the wiki can be used by the community. Recently I've been doing some sorting of categories, trying to make some of the categorization flow better so that the category trees can be more useful in finding things. I think it is a way under utilized function of the wiki. Guild Wars Wiki:Categorical index is one of my bookmarked wiki pages that I use all the time when I'm trying to find something, and it's only been accessed 23,500 times. My userpage has been accessed by more people. Go figure. -- Wyn 03:07, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I've never even seen that page; I'm definitely going to bookmark it. I don't even see a link to it on the front page. Definitely push for a way to incorporate it that's visible to average visitors; the page is very efficient. Thanks for your reply.-- BVt 03:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes folks - Wyn is now meta-editing. --snograt 05:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Lol, "fascist bitch"?

As a relatively newcomer here, I've had very few interactions with any other members on the wiki. I've kept most my edits to reverts or corrections, and for the most part, kept to myself. That being said, there have been a few instances of interactions where (despite my limited wikipedia knowledge) I've tried to help others, and have indeed had a few edit conflicts (Most defs beat Wyn to it). This effort on my part was met with hardly any resistance, if not a jest or two. I fail to see Wyn supports, or even suggests an attitude of being a "Fascist bitch" (Learned a new word today, people :3)

That being said, I've seen nothing but friendly supportive advice from Wyn when it comes to suggestions.
Whenever I'm on the wiki, I often find Wyn fixing up articles, helping others, and just generally devoting herself to keeping GWW clean, well maintained, and flowing as well as it is now. Without Wyn, we would indeed be at an incredible loss; and for this reason I do believe that she deserves to be bureaucrat for June '09. ~ Ryuu'[ Talk|Contributions ] 00:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

+1. -- Wandering Traveler 00:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I see a lot of people doing the above mentioned items... I want to see Wyn go ABOVE AND BEYOND, not just REGULAR active wiki editing/suggesting. I mean, heck, I help people, clean up articles, ect, just like Wyn, and where's my cookie? /sarcasm. I want to be impressed, not just click something and see a mediocre contribution. Anyways, that's my $.02. -Lena™ talk 16:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

edit: As for the "Without Wyn, we would indeed be at an incredible loss." line... I would honestly have to beg to differ. Sorry Wyn. :( -Lena™ talk 16:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Lena, you might want to come back when you, too, have over 25,000 contributions (not counting deletions and other sysop stuff). Vili 点 16:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeye. If I spent as much time on wiki as Wyn did I would have that, also. ;D 25,000 is impressive, but, nonetheless, I stand by what I said. ^^ -Lena™ talk 16:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Well Lena, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not out to impress anyone, just do what I can to make the wiki better. -- Wyn 16:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Err... Lena I think you missed Vili's point. Having 25k contributions is going above and beyond. Saying "if i was on the wiki that much I would too" is a very odd statement, you have a grand total of about 1200 edits in 2 years with over half of them being on user talk pages and a further big bulk of them being on your own user page, shoulda coulda woulda gets you no points Lena. Personally I think your statements above make it quite clear that you simply don't understand what it is to be a BC. Wyn is an amazing user and sysop, she works hard to keep this wiki ticking over and although a BC position is not dependant upon number of edits and more upon ones ability to be objective, rational and act in the best interests of the wiki, the sheer weight of her edits shows how committed she is to doing her best by this community. To be honest I'm not even sure what you mean by the following comment: "I want to be impressed, not just click something and see a mediocre contribution", can you give an example of such a contribution? I'm sure you will have an array of edits in your contributions which you can point me too, so I can see what you mean. Also I don't think anyone is suggesting that without wyn the wiki would come to a crashing halt, as their will always be people to pick up where others have left off, however that doesn't change the fact that their is a core group of users who do keep this wiki in tip-top shape and Wyn is one of those and a wee bit of acknowledgement of that fact wouldn't go amiss. In conclusion Lena, if you are going to comments about other users suitability for anything, base it upon fact not rhetoric. -- Salome 13:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

My low number of only 1,2000 contribs have to do with the fact that I am not some old person who only hangs on wiki all day everyday doing reverts, edits, answering questions, ect (no offense if any is taken)? If you really did go through my contribs you will see I have only recently started to get more involved on this wiki for the first time in 2 years. Anyways, "tl;dr" a lot of the big wall of text. Everyone is expendable; including Wyn, including me. This wiki would be just fine without her. As you said so delicately "someone would just pick up the slack", and I agree. I understand perfectly fine what the posistion of a bureaucrat takes in order to fullfil it. It's not exactly what I would call "hard"-- anyone with an above-average sense of responsibility and leadership could/can pull it off. "In conclusion", give me another big wall of text so I can have something to pass by another 5 minutes on, please. :) -Lena™ talk 14:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, enough both of you. While I'm sure Lena knows exactly how offensive his comments are, he obviously doesn't care, and there is no one that is going to alter his opinions. He's proven that to be true repeatedly here. Since he knows absolutely nothing about my personal life, or the reasons why I have so much time to spend on the wiki, he can't help but be derisive, it seems to be in his nature. I've never claimed to be irreplaceable, and you are correct that the number of contributions really have little or nothing to do with being a bureaucrat, however, it does provide an example of my dedication to this community. -- Wyn 15:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Offensive? How are my comments offensive? Because I feel I am still young (and have an obligation to do other things) compared to others and therefore cannot commit as much time to this wiki as others that is "offensive" ? I'm obviously missing something here... Feel free to fill me in, Wyn. -Lena™ talk 15:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

edit: I've read and reread my comment multiple times and in conclusion I've come to realize that this "Lena knows exactly how offensive his comments are" and this "Since he knows absolutely nothing about my personal life" are extremely contradictive. So... I'm still really confused as to how what I said was offensive. All the facts that I know about you are these 3 things: 1) you're a female. 2) you're a sysop running for bureaucrat, and 3) you spend a lot of time on this wiki. So whatever I said that might offend you I am sorry. I would, however, like to know how they were offensive. Feel free to email me if it's too personal for the public eye. ;) -Lena™ talk 16:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

"Since he knows absolutely nothing about my personal life" is not contradictive. Money says you only know bits and pieces about Wyn's personal life at best. — Jon Lupen 16:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

They are contradictive. She says "he knows he is throwing offensive comments at me about my real life" and then says "but he knows he doesn't know anything about my real life". Meh... And you're right! As stated, I know only the 3 things I just said about her. So I guess you win some money. ;) -Lena™ talk 16:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

You just broke the cardinal rule of quoting, do it correctly. "While I'm sure Lena knows exactly how offensive his comments are, he obviously doesn't care..." Correct me if I'm wrong Wyn, but I believe that was addressed at all your comments in general Lena. — Jon Lupen 16:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

"Some old person who spends all day on the wiki"? I'm sure Wyn does other crap too, she just enjoys helping the wiki. It's pathetic that you don't see that, Lena.-- anguard 16:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Clearly you have NO idea what "paraphrasing" is, Lupen. Here's a link to better educate yourself on the word [1]. Enjoy, :) -Lena™ talk 16:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Clearly you have NO idea what "paraphrasing" is, Lena. When you make up stuff your not "paraphrasing". Drogo Boffin 16:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Clearly Lena also has NO idea what quoting is or how to do it. Quoting is word for word, no paraphrasing, rewording, correcting or changes aloud. — Jon Lupen 16:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Give it up, people. You're pinging my watchlist with crap. -- Brains12 \ talk 16:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Since the man asked, consider it given up Brians. — Jon Lupen 16:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Trolling much? Have you even got a good reason why Wyn shouldn't be given this role? As I see it, someone who has consistently dedicated so much of their time to serve for the benefit of this wiki community and is willing to humbly admit to what they see as any of their failings will attempt to do a good job at this role. It's not only about ability to be a good bureaucrat, it's also about the dedication and willingness to perfrom that role - after all, nobody's paying you and I think 25k edits over the lifetime of this wiki shows that Wyn has it in spades. It doesn't matter how well you think some average Joe could do the job well if they don't have the time or heart for it. Jennalee 16:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

As though the official wiki link to what "paraphrasing" meant wasn't enough they still spout out useless accusations. Anyways, I'm off this page for a bit due to Brains getting spammed. For all the people on here who havn't the slightest idea what "paraphrasing" is and didn't go to my spoon-fed link-- I recommend dictionary.com. G'day, all. -Lena™ talk 16:51, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

There's no need for anyone to "spout out useless accusations" - you do a pretty darned good job of showing what part of the web you hail from without anyone else needing to point it out. Jennalee 16:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I love how one simple comment regarding an opinion in a discussion page can bring about so much trolling. Lena has proved absolutely no point here, and has swayed no one. I stand by what I previously said. I could make a huge wall of text about why Lena is clearly going out of his way to troll Wyn, but I'm not wasting my time- and obviously; it has already been done for me. ~ Ryuu[ Talk|Contributions ] 18:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Definate Support

How can you oppose Wyn? —Rein Of Terror 21:51, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

She has temper problems in heated debates and takes things way too personally? --64.191.104.133 22:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

She's poked at me for a couple things but I don't begruduge her for it. (She's a chick, after all)-- anguard 22:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I've gotten a well-earned poke or two. X) — Jon Lupen 22:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Poking is half her job. —Rein Of Terror 22:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey now, poking at and taking things too personally isn't just a "chick" thing, you know. I can take stuff personally and have a bad temper, too -gasps- In all seriousness, you can't oppose Wyn unless you're a troll out to get her. ~ Ryuu[ Talk|Contributions ] 23:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Or unless you want to see her stay a Sysop. — Jon Lupen 01:02, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

"How can you oppose Wyn?" Easy, we make the choice (as I am) to sign under opposed. We each can make the choice we want to, for whatever reasons we choose. This over-inflated 'Wyn love' is personally starting to get on my nerves. 000.00.00.00 01:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

You know, you don't have to read it. You have the free will to scroll past the "over-inflated 'Wyn love'" that seems to bother you so much. Elysea 01:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I am following the Election, it pays to read everything to keep up to date, and to see elements that I consider of personal dislike I generally have to read them to see it. To just scroll past comments I might miss something valid with stuff I find less valid. 000.00.00.00 01:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

reset indent "This over-inflated 'Wyn love' is personally starting to get on my nerves." <-- for truth. You know that "Wyn fanclub that seem to think it's cool to defend me [Wyn] against all criticism" she mentioned above? Sorry Wyn, it seems that these people do not in fact know who they are :(

At Vanguard, "I don't begruduge her for it. (She's a chick, after all)." ..............

At Ryuu, I wasn't aware you were running for bcrat. Sure, anyone can be temperamental and take things too personally, but do you want just anyone as your bcrat? Why not appoint me, then?

At Elysea, no, you really can't just scroll past it. It pervades every serious discussion about Wyn. There are 3 sections on this page that started out as a some variation of "I Wyn", and literally every section except Guild Wars Wiki talk:Elections/2009-06 bureaucrat election/Wynthyst#Question has some such comment. So unless you are asking us to stop participating in the election, sorry, scrolling past it is not an option.

I don't mean for this to be a totally anti-Wyn post. She really is a great person- a "pretty cool guy," as the saying goes- and also a good sysop. She would not, however, be a good bureaucrat, despite your baseless assertions that she would. --208.77.19.50 02:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

How can you oppose Wyn? Let me try to reword my support. By saying that I merely meant that—in my opinion—Wyn is certainly a capable canidate. I think she has easily proved that. I do not consider myself a member of the "Wyn fan club", or a participant in "over-inflated 'Wyn love'", and I did not mean to start a section discussing these things. All I meant is that I think Wyn is capable of being a bureaucrat, if the wiki community wants her to be. But if not, she is doing an excellent job as a sysop.—Rein Of Terror 03:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

That was a joke I made guys, damn.-- anguard 13:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad to see some discussion going on, now if all the unregistered IP's posting here would register a username and get their qualifying 100 mainspace edits so they could vote, it might be worthwhile. If you are taking the time to follow the election, it means you have some dedication to the wiki community, especially those of you who are voicing opposing opinions, so why not become a fully participating member and actually vote? Of course, that mean 100 qualifying edits by tomorrow.... -- Wyn 13:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Some of us, and I'm not alone in this, would rather see Wyn stay a sysop and not be tied down by the red tape of being a bcrat. — Jon Lupen 15:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Wyn, I'm surprised at your attitude. All discussion is worthwhile, registered or not. People are voicing their opinions, the Wiki isn't for registered people only as you don't need to register to take part in many aspects of the Wiki, in this case unregisterd user can still voice their opinions and should they choice they can register and try and occur the necessary edits. Wyn, your attitude surprises me. ~~000.00.00.00~~ 21:13, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I did not say otherwise, I simply said, that they are showing enough dedication to the wiki community to follow the election, and participate in the discussion, they should take that last step and register so that they could fully participate. -- Wyn 21:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Wyn lost

Discuss... 83.131.59.82 13:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

How about we discuss that once she's actually lost (if she loses)? There's still a week left of voting. Freedom Bound 13:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Too many votes against.-- anguard 13:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Agrees with Freedom, it's not over yet, and even if she loses it just shows A) people don't think she's suited for the position or B) people feel she can be better utilised in her current/different position than this. ~~000.00.00.00~~ 23:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a 3rd possibility, but I won't voice it as it might offend their delicate sensibilities. -- Wyn 00:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The third possibility is simply because they dislike the person they are voting against, and I openly dislike Wynthyst. I do like the way your words suggest that people who clearly and openly dislike you are going to be very indignant if you point that out. Pika Fan 152.226.7.213 02:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, that is not the third possibility I was considering. So I guess there are any plethora of reasons why people vote the way they do. Very little of it has to do with how qualified the person is for the position. -- Wyn 02:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to share, Wyn. ~~000.00.00.00~~ 02:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

People are stupid? ~Shard 02:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I just feel that Misery will do a better job than you as Bcrat, partly because I know him better than I do you. The fact that I dislike you is a separate issue altogether. You are right that there wil be people who will vote you down simply because they dislike you. 152.226.7.213 02:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

If we can call it an "election".By "sensibilities", "delicate sensibilities"...Don't talk much because then they might troll our user talk pages and stalk our contributions to troll them, oh no, oh lordy, whatever shall I do if I get trolled for the 500th time./sarcasm--Wealedout 13:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)