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Question

Can you give me your skill template please? Reaper of Scythes Talk 21:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I was talking about your main page xD Reaper of Scythes** 18:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

When you hit Edit on a page, at the bottom there is a thing that lists which templates are used on that page, for example this. The initial part looks a bit scary because it's a table, but it's just the code for the NPC Infobox with all the unnecessary parts stripped out. Everything else is normal wiki formatting/code which should be pretty easy to grasp. Vili 点 18:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

xDD That wasn't what i meant ;P, I meant that the nice heavy OP skills you use are nice, as in like (<noob): WHO OMGZ how did you get those. but still I think i could have better asked: 'Can you tell me how you got those skills' ^^. But I'm not that smart and it was on Tuesday, I always feel tired on Tuesday ;S. Don't know why, though. Reaper of Scythes** 19:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

oh. I don't use skill templates so I have no idea what the code would be. Someone more familiar with PvX and/or gw.dat datamining could probably figure it out for you. Vili 点 19:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I like you <3 Reaper of Scythes** 19:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Btw, im not a troll, they live in caves Reaper of Scythes** 19:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

With the my power...

as Proprietier of someplace vested into me, I declare this talk page Firsted. --RIDDLE 00:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Second. Also "Bright and distracting addendum to the signature that is obviously chosen and existing to deceite other users thus highly inacceptable. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 00:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC) " Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 00:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

A self quote? Very fail. NuVII 15:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

"But the internet is serious business. --Cursed Angel 20:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)" Cursed Angel 16:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Titani_Ertan/QotD Misery 16:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

[1]

That's what happens when I switch from using present tense to past tense in my head in the middle of a sentence. :< ··· Danny Pew Pew 00:06, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I see native English speakers making that typo incredibly often. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 07:34, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

your wrong. --RIDDLE 07:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

this is a test of the early warning system

. 24.6.97.75 22:31, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Generic Fire Djinn

This one isn't a dervish:

Fire Djinn

is for Raine, etc. 09:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I've got more hot that a cow has moo

I will burn you with my flame

Zippo is my middle name

I'm done fuckin' around 8-bit clown

(Here's my Bubble, have fun 6 feet in the ground. Dead) Vili 点 09:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

More Stuff

A winrar am this user!

is for Raine, etc. 09:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

\o/ Vili 点 09:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Out of curiousity

Is this one yours? IIRC, someone made it in response to this, during the June Bcrat elections (Comic Sans, The quick brown fox jumpeds over the lazy dog.) --RIDDLE 08:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

It's "JUMPS". is for Raine, etc. 10:04, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Of course, otherwise there is no s in the sentence. Misery 11:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I refuze acknowledging that letter. --RIDDLE 15:56, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

It's in your signature code, fool! 208.44.247.101 16:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Mr Sock is not, although The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. (jumped?) is. I forgot about that. I think it was funny how it got permabanned. Vili 点 06:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

lol

k -Auron 07:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

wut ? 77.60.239.138 13:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

What?

I just wanted to know. Why so active aggressive? Titani Ertan 10:59, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

"buzzword"

Bingo, sir. Vili 点 11:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I (still?) don't understand why you removed a question about what Auron meant, as I'm not one who stalks your every contribution, so I can't know what the reference was about. No passive aggressive this way <-- Titani Ertan 11:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

If you stop using meaningless phrases like X aggressive, I'll consider not archiving this section immediately in the "Titani Archive". Vili 点 11:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Lol, I believe that is the most hilarious thing any GWW'r has ever said. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 11:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

No, clearly that was "tiers don exits". Vili 点 11:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Lulz.

PvX'rs rant about GWW's passive aggression all the time, and people don't tend to admit to being passively aggressive. I find it really amusing that someone is told to remain passively aggressive :D ---Chaos- (talk) -- 11:22, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I'll bite because I'm curious. I've seen PvXers use the term passive aggressive for GWW users on quite a few occasions since I've been back and I've always questioned it. Have I missed something and one of the symptoms from the DSM-IV actually apply or did someone just use the word and people picked up on it?

Off the top of my head, I would guess Sensitive Personality Types would be a slightly better fit. And not to leave the PvXers out, possibly Sadistic Personality Types. — Gares 14:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

32kb

For some reason I'd been under the impression that the problems wikipedia/wikimedia was seeing was the browser's reaction to the bad software... Browsers are actually bad enough to not be able to load 32kb of text? It doesn't make sense to me, given that browsers have been viewing (badly compressed) .jpgs a lot larger than that since the beginning of the internets. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 14:40, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

If you're using Explorer on 95, then yes. Titani Ertan 16:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I dunno if the OS matters more than the browser... but, yeah, back when I was being baed and using IE6, it was possible to crash by trying to look at Linsey's 1000kb page or whatever it was that one time. A normal talkpage, even at 100+kb? That is not a problem. In fact I had such a talkpage over on GuildWiki for awhile, as well as many other large ones over time, and if anything was to break it would be something Wikia... no real problems there. Sometimes trying to edit the entire page instead of just a section would be a bit problematic, but it wasn't crash-worthy.

As to whether the problem lies primarily with old wiki software or bad browsers, I am not informed enough to guess...but people (and that warning message) always speak of the browser having problems. idk Vili 点 18:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

There's a Linux project to replicate Internet Explorer 6 out there somewhere. They say it's for web developers who need to test it without using a virtual machine, but I honestly think they're doing it for the lulz. Also: displaying pages that size is rather simple even for browsers as bad as IE6. Editing pages that size becomes very very difficult very very quickly if you use the main edit tab instead of editing a section. For proof, try finding the mahoosive suggestion archive from before the feedback namespace existed, the one that's almost a megabyte or something. Try editing it, then watch even Firefox phail. (Actually, x64 Minefield handles it fine when it's not busy asploding, but using a 64-bit version is kind of cheating.) –Jette 08:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I prefer looking at Special:Allmessages . I don't have much problems with either, though. Vili 点 09:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I figger that's supposed to display a giant page, but all I get is "system messages." –Jette 09:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

WRONG NAMESPACE LUZL Vili 点 09:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

>167KB

MEIN GOTT –Jette 12:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, it loads a lot slower than talkpages. :< Vili 点 20:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Stage 2: denial

I lol'd ^^ -- Cyan 08:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Here is a very bad pune, or play on words: "Denial is not just a river in Egypt." Vili 点 08:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't get it, but that's just me I guess =) -- Cyan 09:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

And yes, my messages are always important. -- Cyan 09:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Villy

Hi, i havnt talked to u in a wile

supp --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Dark Chaos (talk).

not on this talkpage, no :o

ehh not much bro, trying to enjoy computer tiem w/ shitty built-in laptop speakers is ftl Q_Q Vili 点 20:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I miss ur hawt voice in vent. ¤Dark ';~;' Chaos¤ 02:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I have never been on your vent, nor you mine. (Well, ours.) Vili 点 05:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Cabal

I read this. If I am in some secret organization, ain't I supposed to get a decoder ring, a cookie, or something? I kinda feel jipped. — Gares 16:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

It's not very secret. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 16:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

After returning from before your time, any new clicks would be a secret to me actually. Whatever new feuds and new trolls are out there now, Entropy has always been a solid user. If Backsword was adding me to the list, from what I remember, I can think of worse people to be associated with than Entropy. Btw, I'll give you kudos for C&C LAN play. — Gares 19:18, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

:)

The only real "clicks" Guild Wars Wiki has ever had are basically friend networks...people from GuildWiki, people from PvX, people who hang out on the IRC channel, in-game/guild etc. friends. I will gladly claim membership in all but the second. I think that the "decoder ring" would be the shared memories with and between these people, for example the autistic binds that all PvX people share. :D

Also thank you for reminding me to borrow C&C from my brother. I gave up on getting StarCraft to work properly on this laptop, but I do miss me some good RTS action. Haven't played in years... :o Vili 点 20:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

The circlejerk on PvX has quite strong binds when you bring it to GWW where they don't argue with themself, but other autists who can't play the game or present arguments for 5 penny. ---©- (moo) -- 09:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

There is no cabal. –Jette 10:19, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Not on GWW there isn't, not officially there isn't. ---©- (moo) -- 10:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

About PvX, I've seen a few of users from the past that apparently have been assimilated into the "raging, emo, I need a massive e-peen, my shit don't stink" community. Sort of sad really. I've been apart of the Aion and Warhammer PvP elitest since I left and I can honestly say that the GW PvP community for the most part is the worst. There were some egos, flexing e-peens, and asshats, but it was mainly just heated, friendly competition with some respect thrown here and there. Maybe I missed something here. My rant for the week. <shrugs>

@Entropy: Yeah. I used to C&C LAN with my roommates in college. Best thing to me was hearing, "GD. I hate you," from the other bedroom when I sent massive air strikes with whatever the Korean special units were called. — Gares 14:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

PvX is a competition about becoming "politically influential" and being as full of win as possible without getting perma'd. ---©- (moo) -- 16:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Korean special units are Black Eagle fighter/bomber jets. I really like them, too, but I don't really care about Red Alert. Mediggo 16:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Mmmm, old-fashioned C&C *fap fap fap.* I'm going to go yell at those guys on the forum to finish up the C&C3 → C&C1 mod. –Jette 01:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Wintersday

Have a happy and a merry!  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:11, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

-hugs-

Merry Christmas ^^" Ryuu - talk 05:00, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

A little late? :x--/u/nendingfear File:User Unendingfear Crane eats peanut.jpg 05:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

In my timezone it is currently 10:08 PM. In Vili's, it is currently 9:08. We're not eurobads Ryuu - talk 05:08, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

This is a test to see what my new IP is... 99.97.70.25 21:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Mr Ben Kute

Dear,

Greeting to you, I am Mr Ben Kute from Burkina Faso. I want to seek your assistance i'm the manager of Bill and Exchange at the Foreign Remittance Department of BANK OF AFRICA,(BOA) In my department I discovered an abandoned sum of USD$5.8million US dollars in an account that belongs to one of our foreign customers who died along with his entire family in plane Crash 2003,

Since his death, the bank has been expecting his next of Kin to come over and claim his money because the bank can't release it unless somebody applies for it as his next of Kin, please I want you to stand for me as his next of kin so that my bank will transfer the fund into your account then I will come over to meet you in your country for us to share money, do not view this as been illegal but an opportunity and it's 100% risk free as await your urgent response to enable me give you more details. please reply with those information's below so that I can know you very well before I go ahead with you,

Your International passport or ID card

Your age

Your private telephone number

Your country

Your profession

Remain bless,

Mr Ben Kute

Email slow, clunky, unreliable? Switch to Yahoo!Xtra Mail, New Zealand's new email address.

You okay with me giving you my social security #, cc #, etc. ? ♪ dark ★ chaos ♭ 22:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I have no use for foreign funds :\ Vili 点 21:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Your comments...

...are totally fair, though FWIW, I don't think me getting sysop will significantly affect the good or harm I cause either way. (Though if anything, that adds support to your oppose.) —Tanaric 05:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about you, but I always felt that while being a sysop/bcrat gave increased prestige, power, and influence, I was much less.......restrained before accepting those mantles. In that regard, sysopping someone could actually be a means of shackling them; you just can't get away with the same sort of shit because people are watching your every move. ;) Vili 点 21:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

quik

change the first word of the second sentence on ur uzar paeg, den ppz kno u has vaginazorz ♪ dark ★ chaos ♭ 20:27, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

wat. Vili 点 21:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I mean, do you just not LIKE English? is for Raine, etc. 22:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

do i get to answer this question? because i know the answer. ··· Danny Pew Pew 05:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

42? Vili 点 06:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Raine, i lurvz dah englich lungwage ♪ dark ★ chaos ♭ 20:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

bracket attack!

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you're welcome--adrin 04:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Adrin is a []D [] []\/[] []D --RIDDLE 04:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

But villy is []D [] []V[] []D [] []\[]! ♪ dark ★ chaos ♭ ^{fyi: i lurvz englich} 19:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I am the Red Mage, pimpin' feather in my hat. Vili 点 21:17, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you also like to wear dresses? ··· Danny Pew Pew

It's a cloak, dammit! is for Raine, etc. 18:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Disregard that; I suck cocks. I knew what you were talking about, I swear! is for Raine, etc. 18:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

lol. ··· Danny Pew Pew 18:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

"I suck cocks. - Raine"

Sup? Karate Jesus 18:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Wait - I thought Raine and Lau were going to put together a video for us after Lau got back from riding poros in Finland! ··· Danny Pew Pew 18:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Oshit! Instead of riding poros, Lau is going to ride.....ohboy! Karate Jesus 18:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Only if they go with my wizard hat. Vili 点 00:23, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

DDO

So, I hear from an unamed source that you play DDO.(hear=read;unamed source=your user page) I started to try it out a month or so ago, and I was wondering if the quests kept good variety and challenge as it went on or it just becomes repetative after a while, or if you actually know the answer?

I wanted to post this somewhere that it wouldn't get buried in a bunch of threads quickly like it would if I put it on the offical DDO forums(also official forums tend to have a fanboy-ish response most of the time), so any help would be appreciated, as I don't want to spend any money on it if it becomes boring or easy, although I probably will see how much I can get free first. Thanks in advance.--Orry 01:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Eh... if you only play the free-to-play quests, you'll start to stall out around level 10 or so since there is little to none free content past that. You'll either have to grind Turbine Points or pay some money, so you can get some adventure packs and thus more experience. Because you can farm an unlimited amount of TP, you could theoretically get everything in DDO without ever spending a dime. However, that has two major problems. Firstly, it takes forever, since you need like 15,000 TP to fully unlock everything, and you only get 25 TP for each repetition. And secondly, you would never get Premium or VIP status, so you would forever be limited...you can only chat a certain number of times per minute or something, you can only post one auction at a time, you're lowest on the login queue when the server is full, and so on. (Note that spending any amount of money for Turbine Points automatically upgrades you to Premium. You can also buy an old boxed game of DDO online for like $5 and use the key code for like a free month of VIP or something.)

The challenge level of quests is not a problem at all, there are always difficult things to do as you progress. That is why they say DDO, and DnD for that matter, was never designed as a solo game. Although it's possible to "solo" with hirelings (with the right classes and builds) all the way to like level 15, it is pretty slow and tedious, and you'll have to skip out on some stuff that is just not meant to be done alone (for example, treasure chests that can only be reached with someone to pull a lever for you, or entire quests that won't let you in without a party, like raids). And of course quest difficulty varies on how good you are and what you're playing...for example, Wizards and Sorcerers have a hard time getting started (especially solo), but eventually are able to blow up anything before it even has a chance to attack.

As to the variety of quests, as in all MMOs the majority of them will involve running around and killing stuff. That's always how things work. In DDO, if you want real variety in qests then you'll generally have to play the pay-to-play content. There is an adventure pack called Three-Barrel Cove, for instance, which has some difficult obstacle course/puzzle quests. In another one called The Sharn Syndicate, you break into a bank, raid a mansion, rescue a family from a hostage situation, and so on. There are a few free quests that have varied stuff...one infamous one is known as The Pit, and it has a lot of killing, a lot of platforming obstacle courses, tile puzzles, and so on. (People tend to hate that quest because it is SO LONG and there's so much to do, but it certainly is some variety.)

In my opinion, the game never gets "easy" unless you are being helped out so that your characters are totally twinked all the time (i.e. having the best possible gear they can use at that level)...having a lot of money makes DDO much easier. I never got bored with it, either, although I will admit I've only just experienced the lower end content... my highest level character is level 7, and these days I only log in to do powerselling for generating moneys. (I'm not a VIP so I'm not losing anything by using my time to play World of Warcraft instead.) Also, I have spent almost my entire time playing solo - stuff is A LOT easier and more fun in groups. Even bad groups can be okay, depending on the quest...the worst that "bad" players can do is attract more monsters to you, or endanger vital NPCs, but that only applies in certain quests. So if you actually play with people, let alone join a guild, the game is definitely better. Vili 点 01:43, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't play that often, so it will probably take a while to get to the point where I run out of quests to do as a F2P, which also means becoming a VIP might not be the best option, I'll see what I can buy when I get there. I started off as a Fighter on the Khyber server, it seemed like a good class to learn with. I'm trying to group when I can, that makes games quite a bit more entertaining for me anyway. So far I'm a level two, and about to do Misery's Peak and so far the quests seem pretty varied, and I'm hoping they stay that way. What I'm really hoping is that this Test Krewe thing can help get Guild Wars balanced and that Guild Wars 2 won't have the same problems, but I'm optimistic. Anyhow, thanks again for writing out such a detailed response. --Orry 02:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, VIP is *not* worth the money unless you play often and intend to play for the long haul... most players are much better off buying Turbine Points directly. It costs about $150 (when there are no sales going on) to unlock everything directly via TP; you could get VIP for almost a year with that amount of money, but unless you were to actually finish the entire game in a year, you'd be stuck after that. Also, if you did something that only a VIP can do and your subscription ends, you'll be stuck without it. For example, VIPs can create Warforged race and play the Monk class. But, once your subscription ends, you can't play a Warforged or Monk character anymore. :\ That's another big reason why it's better to just buy stuff directly. Vili 点 02:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Dorm

My room has a home theater system in it now. ._. is for Raine, etc. 03:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

wat. why not live in apartment? ··· Danny Pew Pew 18:38, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I loled

Furyan sometimes gives them away. ^_^ -- Lacky 09:23, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Haha, we should also edit that page adding the fact that they're also called cookies. Markus Clouser 12:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. =P -- Lacky 13:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

:(

:( is for Raine, etc. 08:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

:( -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 18:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

wats

a good hunter spec --dark chaos 23:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

First off, a little disclaimer that up until about level 60 (when you have 51 talent points available and thus can get the "capstone" talent of any given tree), every Hunter should focus on Beastmaster. It is the easiest and most pain free way to level; your pet tanks everything and does some damage, you deal a bit of damage with Serpent Sting, and use Feign Death/stop attacking when needed so that you never gain aggro. ~60 is also about the time when your pet does not generate enough threat anymore to reliably hold aggro, which is another reason to swap at that point. Here for an example build you'd use up to 60, although it honestly doesn't make much difference.

Anyway, for level 80...Marksmanship or Survival, with a few support talents from the other tree, since Beastmaster is not viable at endgame if you're doing anything at all serious...the 51-point talent is trash, in fact most of the talents in that tree are garbage. Bestial Wrath and The Beast Within are pretty good but they are too far down the tree. If you are focused to Marksmanship, Improved Aspect of the Hawk is pretty good though, since it's a pretty unconditional, easy to trigger attack speed boost that stacks with everything else in the game. Focused Fire can also be worth the two points since it gives passive +2% damage to everything as long as your pet is alive.

Good support talents in Marksmanship include Lethal Shots (passive +crit chance), Mortal Shots (passive +crit damage bonus), Aimed Shot (more attack skills is always good, also has heal reduction effect), and Go for the Throat (generates 25/50 Focus for pet whenever you crit). Careful Aim lets you use Intellect to boost ranged attack power, which is good later on once you start getting Hunter gear that gives that stat. Improved Hunter's Mark can be alright, although I personally find those 3 talents better spent elsewhere (especially as mana cost for Mark is small to begin with). You may also consider Rapid Killing, which reduces cooldown on Rapid Fire. Farther down the tree are Improved Stings, which is obviously useful, and Efficiency which is basically an Expertise effect for your attack skills...but you'd miss out on some other good Survival things to pick those up.

In Survival, Improved Tracking (+1...5% passive damage boost to the type of creature you are tracking) is good. Survivalist and Hunter vs. Wild are like Careful Aim but for Stamina. Lock and Load is pretty powerful, giving up to 100% chance on ice trapped target (6% on fire trapped) that you can get two free, no-cooldown, no-mana, no-ammo Arcane Shot or Explosive Shot - although if you don't get Survival's 51-point Explosive Shot then of course it's less useful.

Finally, Glyphs. For Minor Glyphs, Glyph of Mend Pet is pretty essential. Even though by endgame you are not using your pet to tank or deal massive domages, it's a useful ally that provides some utility or even buffs. Keeping the pet happy keeps its damage at 125% which is pretty damn decent. Glyph of Feign Death I'd consider essential no matter what sort of Hunter you are, since that is your primary method of dumping threat (and you generate a lot). Use early and often! The last glyph isn't so important, but I would take Glyph of Revive Pet because that spell takes lol long to cast and costs a shit ton of mana, so reducing the pushback by 100% makes it feasible to use mid-combat. For Major glyphs, definitely get Glyph of Serpent Sting - that's the sting you'll be using the most throughout the game. Glyph of Kill Shot is good even if you're not focused to Marksmanship, since that is just a powerful attack skill. The last one doesn't matter so much, but I like Glyph of Steady Shot since that is your basic attack skill to be used over and over.

Summary: Marksmanship is a more active playstyle that focuses on getting damage from attack skills; its rotations are bit more complex; the 51-point talent is Chimera Shot, which refreshes the current sting and does bit of extra damage + an effect based on the sting. You will get the biggest burst damage with Marksmanship, such as 26000-damage crits using Kill Shot. Survival is more focused on passive dots like the stings and traps; your damage won't peak as high but it is more steady, and you can also be damaging several targets at the same time. It's really up to you what playstyle you prefer; that being said, the good news is that the two aren't so wildly different that you'd need entirely different gearsets for the two specs.

The build I will use for Survival is here, though I am undecided if I want to swap something so I can take Careful Aim later. Should also note that some people really like Sniper Training...but I find it to be too conditional, and as Survival spec Kill Shot isn't the most important ability anyway. I don't have one for Marksmanship right now as I don't plan on playing it, but that tree is pretty obvious which talents are good and which are not.

Any other questions? ;o Vili 点 05:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

(ec - tl;dr) 0/15/56 (but every one of my serious characters ever has been a caster, so I'm a bit biased in favor of the "RESTORE MANAAAAAAAAA" thing - I think Auron prefers 7/57/7). -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 05:25, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Dumb game is dumb.--Underwood 06:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I know where you live. Vili 点 09:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Why has it taken so long for you to visit me? Is this what it takes? I'm so sad.--Underwood 19:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

You'd be surprise how hard it is to find a good blunderbuss these days. Vili 点 14:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

It sounds pretty faceroll tbh; what race do you suggest? Also how does the pet system work? Find something capable and use it? El oh el... dark chaos 00:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Um, if you're minmaxing then Orc, Dwarf, and Troll get racial bonus to pets, guns, and bows respectively. Orc gets a +attack bonus racial and Troll gets a haste racial. Of course Orcs and Trolls are shit ugly and Dwarves are...ehh. Other than that... Draenei get a +1% chance to hit aura thing which would affect you and your pet, and they also get a HoT which can be nice since you don't have any self-heals as a Hunter. However the hit buff doesn't stack with other hit buffs. Night Elves get Shadowmeld, which is useful as a second Feign Death effect. Tauren have a short-range AoE stun ability, which can be useful if you accidentally aggro something and need to get out of melee range. The other races don't have any ability that specifically helps the Hunter.

Pet system works a bit different than GW, since each pet gets its own small assortment of skills, and unlike GW they are actually useful. They are also with you 99% of the time, since you don't need to put Charm Animal etc on your hotbar to have them with you. Each pet also has a talent tree, which is also determined by which type of animal it is. There are three type of pets: "Tenacious", which are like Hearty; "Cunning", which are like Elder; and "Ferocious", which are like Dire. Tenacious pets get more defense-oriented skills, Cunning pets get a mix, and Ferocious pets get more offense-oriented skills. For most of levelling you'll want a Tenacious pet such as a Turtle (although you could get away with Cunning), since the pet's main job is to soak up aggro and damages from you. Eventually, once the pet becomes outdated, you switch to a Cunning or Ferocious pet, such as a Spider, Cat, or Wolf, that gives a useful buff, has utility, and/or deals much more damage. At that point the way you deal with combat is by killing things before they kill you.

Pets are charmed starting at level 10 after a short quest chain using the Tame Beast skill. It works like Charm Animal in GW, except you get a 100% armor reduction for the duration of the cast and the animal stands a fair chance of killing you later on if you don't take a precaution like snaring it first. There are quite a few pets to choose from, and even some named boss animals can be tamed, although they are no different than a slightly higher level regular animal. A few rare animals are classified as "Exotic", and only a Beastmaster can tame those, but they are not worth it. Also, of course, some animals only live in certain places - if you're an Alliance hunter you'll not be taming a Dragonhawk anytime soon, as those live in Blood Elf lands.

Pets have a Happiness rating which causes them to deal 75% of normal damage (unhappy), 100% of normal damage (content), or 125% of normal damage (happy). Until level 12 you will have to improve this by constantly feeding the pet various food items, based on what its natural diet is. This is generally a huge hassle that you really don't want to be bothered by, yet that +25-50% damage is very important. That's why it is so essential to learn Mend Pet at level 12 and get the Minor Glyph of Mend Pet as soon as you can. That way, you can just cast Mend Pet and it makes the pet's happiness go up every second tick or so. Repeat every now and then and forget about feeding forever.

Pets level up along with you. A pet can never be above your level. Pets only gain experience when you also gain experience; however, this only works for combat XP from killing monsters (and maybe stuff in PvP, not sure about that). Because of this it takes much less experience for a pet to level than a player; unless your pet is several levels beneath you, you never have to specifically work on levelling it up. As a pet levels up, its stats improve and it becomes larger sizewise, and it also gains Talent points (much slower than a player though, since they have a max of 16 points or so, 20 for Beastmaster - however you can reset their talents for no cost as many times as you want); however, the pet's stats are also affected by your own stats. It is important for the Hunter to have good Armor, since this provides a big boost to your pet's armor, and they will be tanking for you for quite awhile. If you leave a pet stabled for a really long time, or go and charm a level 5 Wolf at level 80, then it will be far behind you and require some work to raise; you might have to set it to Passive, or get someone to help by putting defensive buffs on it, etc. However, immediately after charming a pet it will level up to some certain extent, so it is not totally dumb to try and charm lower-level versions of the same monster in case you can't find/handle their tougher cousins. (This is why some people seek out the rarer, higher-level versions of common animals. A few of those also have special colorations or other features.)

Finally, you start out with being able to charm 1 pet. If you pay 10 silver you can have up to 2, although one stays "stabled" while you have the other active. If you pay increasingly more money then eventually you can have up to 5 pets. However you'll never really need more than just 2-3 for most of the game (Tenacious/Cunning to level, Cunning/Ferocious for endgame); there are specific pets that are most liked by raiding groups (the Wolf), PvPers (the Spider), and so on, but for most of the game it doesn't really matter as long as it can tank/buff/utility. (Obviously some are prettier than others, you can browse the pets here.) Vili 点 14:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

ps TURN OFF COWER AS SOON AS YOUR PET LEARNS IT, by right-clicking it. Cower reduces damage taken and movement speed, but also reduces threat generation, which is exactly opposite what you want your pet to be doing for 99% of the game. Vili 点 14:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Come on over to my place and I'll show you a real "blunderbuss". If you know what I mean.--Underwood 19:40, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't listen to him, I'm the real wood around here. And I never cower. Thanks! NuVII 20:06, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Neither your voice nor your picture is attractive, sorry. I dunno about Nuke though. Vili 点 01:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Draenei +1% hit racial stacks with everything and applies to the entire raid group (but only to spells or physical attacks, depending on your class; as a hunter, you'll benefit your melee but make your casters sad). That said, the 1% hit is a really amazing bonus. (All alliance racials are overpowered imo.) Also, if you tame a pet that's much lower level than you, it will instantly level up to your level - 5. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 21:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

WoWWiki is full of errors, I guess. Vili 点 21:31, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not into girls anyway.--Underwood 22:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Then why would you show me your blunderbuss? Vili 点 22:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

[2]--Underwood 22:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Your Mana Tap brings all the boys to the yard. Vili 点 22:36, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Damn right, it's better than your Energy Drain. Thanks! NuVII 19:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Your next mission

is to make a WoT bigger than this. It must be a proper response to someone's argument, and it must make 95% sense. Caps lock will dock you 26 points.
Your reward will be my eternal gratitude and a lifetime supply of .
I await your response.
RIDDLE
05:34, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Give me a topic. Vili 点 05:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Note: There is no time limit. This lets you find a topic with which you are most comfortable. --RIDDLE 05:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

So I can write about ym? Vili 点 05:39, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

If you can make it a proper response to an argument. --RIDDLE 05:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

WoT = waste of time? dark chaos 00:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Wall of Text. -- Lacky 08:40, 29 January 2010 (UTC)