Feedback talk:Game updates/20101118

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New costumes. Gwen is finally choosing men. At least superficially. elix Omni 22:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

New GW:Beyound content w00t w00t 67.149.248.3 22:17, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

My thanks to the anonymous person who helped me differentiate Thursday from Tuesday. :D Matthew Moore 22:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

So, where are the quests? I didn't see anything in the keep, nor in the HoM. Ironic that they added quests to guide people through and then added stuff that nobody in my alliance has found yet. 128.113.239.52 22:23, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Go out of EotN and theres an ebon vanguard scout telling you to find thackery in Kryta... I'll wait till someone finds him and post about it :D Zencow 22:27, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Is there a list of the newly added quests yet? 67.77.74.216 22:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Let's try BLA now. Ðαrĸ Яεvəηςєr 22:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Workin' on it... --Musha 22:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

in the words of Weird Al in Stuck in the Drive Thru "hold your stinkin horses" (sorry edit conflict and copy pasted accidentally copied somone elses) Zachariah Zuan. 22:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Checked that right after writing the above. "Check in kryta." I'd wager in North Kryta Province, but either way, that is absurdly vague. They didn't bother telling us which quests were added for their 'guide' quests either. Didn't they acknowledge that the WiK was unintuitive? LA is full of people asking what the hell is going on. 128.113.239.52 22:39, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I've searched North Kryta Province but found nothing so maybe it's somewhere else in Kryta (but then again, I could've missed something). --weby [TALK] @ 22:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

WANNNNNTTTTT COSTUMES! antil Swift 22:43, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

• ahem* Hint: your first stop is somewhere in Kryta. Finding the appropriate items will allow you to revisit the past through visions in the scrying pool, seeing through his own eyes where Keiran has gone. Zachariah Zuan. 22:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

So... You're looking for an item, not Thackery himself? --'Mai Yi' talk 22:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

look at the main page for this, the developer gave ALOT of hints, Bonus Mission Pack style, new skills, seeing the game through his eyes so you don't hate him Zachariah Zuan. 22:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. Mabye they can redeem Kormir stealing our God powers in GW:Beyound for Elona 67.149.248.3 22:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Do we have to have a wanted quest active to look for this stuff?

I'm still confused on what to actually, you know, do. ♥ Tyloric ♣ 22:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Article : http://guildwars.com/gameplay/developer_updates/heartsofthenorth.php Joeyw 22:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Go to the Watchtower Coast and find the Embedded Arrow near the "T" in Coast.Wasga 22:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Info and costume pics: http://www.guildwars.com/heartsofthenorth/ 67.149.248.3 22:57, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

woooooo yay. Rogueonion 23:07, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Traditional Wedding Finery + Lupine Mask ftw! - J.P.Talk 00:16, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

LOL. Mesmer in game QQ about how he cannot use his overpowered skills because he HAS to be Thackeray for the quests hah. Rogueonion 03:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

BFLA Difficulty Lowered - Anybody else need their hand held during gameplay? Wow. BFLA was meant to be difficult. Serious. Wow. That'd be like taking Dhuum out of UW because oldschool Full Runners can't beat him. Just, Wow. Ardangoeswiki 20:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Second update

My guess is this one added in the items. elix Omni 22:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Nope, Added additional art for wedding party costumes. --weby [TALK] @ 22:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

That's what they say it was. elix Omni 22:59, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Three Cheers For Anet!

I really was starting to wonder if you guys gave up on the GW:B idea...but you guys delivered! Many thanks to everyone involved in GW:B! --Flaming Renegade 22:57, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

What, they gave out months ago that they were working on stuff for Cantha... InfestedHydralisk 23:58, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

This is BEYOND awesome! Haha. Hahahahahah. You all have the right to kill me now. 128.113.201.222 13:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Haha

So you're doing this bad that you need to release new cash shop costumes every other week practically?

Forgot how to sell/make good games? 68.193.122.145 23:06, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Just especially for you ! http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6907/gw293q.jpg Joeyw 23:08, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think he meant the Keiran Thackeray disguise Joeyw. In response to the first statement though, the Hearts of the North costume set is only the 4th "group" of costumes they've released over the course of about a year. It just happens that they add the new GW:B content and costumes a few weeks after Halloween. Venture 23:15, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I really don't give a shit about "Ascalon's greatest hero" anymore if this is how Arena Net wants to treat us. They released two costumes on Halloween that were actually semi worth the money, now they release three more immediately afterwords. "oh please play our wedding content but you're not allowed to have wedding attire unless you pay us again."

They should just stop working on this game and go work on their shitty new MMO 68.193.122.145 23:32, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

They're going to release even more fucking costumes on Wintersday. Remember when Anet made armor without charging us for it? They actually released new sets of elite armor later in the game and it was all free. The BMP came as a BONUS if you baught an actual Guild Wars video game full of content. Now want us to sit through this shitty forced romantic drama but they won't release some gowns and tuxedos that were probably designed in five minutes. I would much rather have nothing than have to put up with the new Capitalist Regime Anet. 68.193.122.145 23:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

^ He mad...(insert troll face here)Zungx 23:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey, be nice, It can be a problem when mommy and daddy don't give you enough allowance to buy more than one set of costumes every few months.

(Reset indent) "Remember when Anet made armor without charging us for it?" Key note: this isn't armor. It's costumes. Costumes are meant to be cosmetic, unimportant, optional stuff that you can get. Would you rather be charged for the costumes, which are in no way necessary to play the game, or pay for the Guild Wars Beyond stuff? I bet you'd QQ in either case. -- Konig/talk 23:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Anet never made armor for free. I atleast bought each campaign and the expansion. -- Arduin 00:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Too bad you couldn't get the BMP if you had bought all 3 campaigns and the Expansion before the BMP was released. Would have enjoyed not having to pay for it. That being said, it's not like you're cut out from experiencing the lore just because you're not buying the costumes, IP above seems a tad too upset to be thinking rationally. My fellow anonymous IP... I am disappoint. 68.144.77.185 01:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Konig you're missing the point. Whether it's armor or costumes they're all character models. We never had to make a seperate payment for our character models until Anet started this costume scheme. We used to pay 40-50 dollars for a full-featured video game, now we're paying 10+ for a couple kilobytes of character model information, or to change our names. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 05:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Koreans who would have thought it? Rogueonion 05:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

It must be hard living your life, when you have to throw a fit everytime you enter a store and realise that those evil store owners somehow force you to buy things that you don't need and want. Man up, my friend and say NO! Don't buy things you don't want and you will see how happy that will make you. (This Ad was paid for by the 'Ban Trolls from the Internet - Society') Wiking 07:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

What's the big deal here? You get a lot of absolutely awesome new content for free, that A-Net lets the vanity junkies (like me) pay for through utterly useless and optional costumes. Would you really prefer the alternative and pay for a WiK expansion? ... or even better a subscription based game? ... Get real and get over it. --Manassas 08:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

stop getting trolled guys, it's clogging rc. -Auron 09:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I would prefer subscription based yes, the dilema I always encounter is the following: GW=graphics I like, gameplay I like, pvp that (used to be) is great, howevery has sucky support over time ´. WoW on the other hand has great support and content updates, but I don't like the gameplay or graphics. Now if they made a game with updates like in WoW, but graphics and gameplay like in GW then I would be more than wiling to pay a fee. 82.169.222.223 12:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

For your information I'll most likely not purchase any wedding attire, especially since Anet feels it's ok to release two costumes that are the same and call them different. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:10, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Embedded Arrowhead

Watchtower Coast, near the beach on the map near the "ast" of Coast. HoM + Scrying Pool = fun stuff. Markus Clouser 23:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I can't find Danthor! --'Mai Yi' talk 23:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Found him at divinity coast entrance.Lodgeinator 23:18, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

ok I am dumb solo quests or no? Rogueonion 23:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Just did it in HM and got raped... what happened to increased rewards for HM with a challenge? If I can't even stay alive against 3 warriors for 5 seconds...

They haven't implemented that yet. elix Omni 23:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Gwen's dialouge seems to loop too. 67.149.248.3 23:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I finished the first quest in HM and NM and indeed the rewards seem to be the same. So far it's like the majority of WiK content (minus the Wanted quests) - no extra benefit doing it in HM. RazoR39999 01:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

"They haven't implemented that yet. Felix Omni 23:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)" --ஸ Kyoshi 14:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Second Quest

The item to start the second quest is at the western entrance to Magesty's Rest. 66.168.21.63 23:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I haven't found it...--The Emmisary 23:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean? It is clearly visible once you zone! --'Mai Yi' talk 23:45, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Can't see it anywhere :S Reaper of Scythes** 23:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

You are at the WEST entrance correct? --'Mai Yi' talk 23:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the zone between Sage Lands and Majesty Reaper of Scythes** 23:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... Look Harder. --'Mai Yi' talk 23:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

You have to do the arrowhead quest first. 66.168.21.63 23:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Apparently I was having the bug in the section below. Reaper of Scythes** 23:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

What is the second Item? Rogueonion 23:58, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

It is a Tarnished Emblem for those who need to know. Rogueonion 00:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Damn bug , can't do quest now.:/--The Emmisary 00:19, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

We think we just found out how to fix bug , put your HoM on personal accomplishements not on accoutn wide

Nope i'm still buggin. i've tried everything that has been proposed and she is still looping.

Bug

It should be noted that currently, Gwen can bug and keep repeating herself for some players when they speak to her in their HoM. This has no effect on teh first quest, but it will prevent players from "finishing" talking to Gwen and the second item located in Majestys Rest will not appear. 71.60.51.218 23:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

This happened to me when I had the Arrowhead quest active. Had no effect on the quest itself, but was annoying. -- Konig/talk 23:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I, personally, have tried restarting Guild Wars and such, but it remains the same. The first quest, yes, is unaffected but the second one will not appear.

71.60.51.218 00:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Is there anyway to stop the bug, I really want to start that second quest...

From what i have personally heard, some people have fixed it simply by reentering their HoM. I, on the other hand, have foudn no way to fix mine. We will simply have to hope that ANET fixes it. 71.60.51.218 00:30, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I just went out and in over and over again and fixed it! Hooray!!!

Very important! In order to fix the repeating bug, you must rezone into HoM repeatedly until gwen shuts up.--The Emmisary 00:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Ya this "solution" doesn't work. I've re-zoned into my HoM about 20 times, and still I cannot get the second quest item to show up. John, is there any chance you could include this problem in the fix tomorrow? 70.50.109.82 02:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Also tried to rezone 20 times and wasn't able to get dialogues correct. Then I've changed from American District to European and got it correct from 1 attempt. Try to switch to another continent district. --Jagtiger 03:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried reading the last post on the section above? Try that.--The Emmisary 16:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Still broken; none of the proposed client side solutions did anything. The tarnished emblem still refuses to appear. -Yossitaru 21:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Because I could

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/1277/gw011z.jpg ♥ Tyloric ♣ 23:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

KUDOS! Rogueonion 23:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I just did it too, got his unique bow and all :D ShadowRunner 00:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hehe, same. I also got the -900dmg on him as the last shot. Markus Clouser 00:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

There seems to be 100% chance of the bow dropping like 5 of my friends got it.--The Emmisary 00:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

yea I also just did it got another rotwing recurve. Rogueonion 00:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Got one too. 24.118.99.65 00:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Always been 100%, just was random party member (or henchie) this one...is solo so yeah <.> (Got one too)98.22.210.158

It is not, he hasn't dropped his bow to me ¬¬

Well...he's normally 100% <.<...Maybe the sin stole your drop =p98.22.210.158 01:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

2 times without bow............

I got killed the first time; the 2nd I killed him and got the bow :D they is to spam interrupt/mini-barrage, killing shot when Miku marks 187.78.189.177 01:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Where is the third item?

I cannot find the third item! Does anyone know where it is? --'Mai Yi' talk 00:46, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm stuck there too. Keiran hints that they are going deeper into the jungle, but I've looked and found nothing. -- Large 00:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Currently making myw ay through mamnoon lagoon and the deeper parts. Rogueonion 00:56, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I've checked Quarrel Falls (except for the NE area near Mamnoon), and Ettin's back (except for the SW area toward Reed Bog. My bets are on reed bog or Mamnoon, but I'm checking near Maguuma Stade right now.24.118.99.65 00:59, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Still looking myself. Sarge 01:01, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Ran all the way to the Maguuma Stade and nothing. Going to recheck with Gwen and some areas then continue on. Aro 01:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't there be mantle where the item is? Rogueonion 01:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Checked southeast area of bog, moving into the falls. Blood Red Giant Mani Mortus 01:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

And Mamnoon is clear nothing here. Rogueonion 01:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Someone should check tangle root, last large area to check. Blood Red Giant Mani Mortus 01:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Stade>Dry top>Ettin's back has nothing, just to back up what Aro said. I'm checking tangle right now.24.118.99.65 01:10, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Something is downloaded when entering the Aurora Glade outpost... --'Mai Yi' talk 01:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Deep Falls is clear, took the most direct route, going to clear the rest of the map to be safe. Blood Red Giant Mani Mortus 01:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Southern path in Reed Bog is clear. Falls seems devoid of anything as well. Aro 01:21, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Tangle is empty :/ one more corner left, but it's unlikely.24.118.99.65 01:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe... they haven't finished the quests yet? I hope this is it. Ifm2181 01:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

The Falls are clear. :/ Blood Red Giant Mani Mortus 01:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Silly thought? Twin serpent and stingray?? Rogueonion 01:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Anyone try near Rata? As it is technically part of the jungle209.33.92.115 01:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Twin serpetn has mantle present with no wik quests active. Rogueonion 01:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

gonna try tangle root.. 187.78.189.177 01:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

It looks like something didn't make it all the way to Live properly, so the third quest isn't available right now. We're going to look into getting this fixed tomorrow, Joe has gone home to get some well-deserved rest. For those of you that post on the forums, could you please let people know not to kill themselves trying to find it right now? Apologies, but I hope people have been enjoying the new stuff so far, at least. ><; John Stumme 01:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks John! Whew!24.118.99.65 01:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Was thinking that but they said jungle -.-; Can't find anything so far. On a totally unrelated note that has absolutely nothing to do with this in any way shape or form I declare today National Kill Warthog day. Every year from this day forth we shall slay warthogs due to umm.. population control yeah. Nothing related to holding alt and looking for something. Edit conflict: Grah! *goes to find a concrete wall* Aro 01:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

/agrees with killing warthogs >< Blood Red Giant Mani Mortus 01:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Dang guys can someone else type? 4 edit conflicts <sigh> THANKS JOHN! Rogueonion 01:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

tangle root clear. yup, not implemented yet 187.78.189.177 01:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Called it! Anyway, enjoyed the content so far, I look forward to playing more of it tomorrow. Ifm2181 01:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yep, great job so far! Enjoy your earned rest Idmz 02:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

hey John? can you mebee have them tone down the stupid mesmers in pve for the solo parts with thackary? I can't hit for anything with empathy on perma spam for foes on hm. Rogueonion 03:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Why are you doing it in HM? There's no benefit. elix Omni 04:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I should have marked that I was being sarcastic. Rogueonion 04:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting but justiciar thommis is outside druids overlook, does that mean the third quest could be near slavers exile? also tarnished emblem - tarnished coast, tarnished haven maybe Spark-TBa 13:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, Justiciar Thommis is always there--part of the Prophecies campaign. Even if HotN was supposed to take place before Slavers', it wouldn't make much sense for Thommis to randomly walk all the way back here. 128.113.201.222 13:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

It would also make no sense, Since he would have to past EOTN to get to slavers why not meet up with gwen? That would also be back tracking everything Miku and Keiran had done.

I know its od no relevance anymore since quests 3,4 and 5 have been released, but in responce to the mos recent coment, you seem to ussume that thackery can only go through the same explorables as we can, is it not possible that he got a boat from watchtower coast since theres a small pier there to the jungle area to the south of umbrall groto, i think that some people think to latterally about these things and must remember we cant go there doesnt mean a NPC cant,  :) oh well, WHENS THE WEDDING  :)Spark-TBa 06:44, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I think that this quest followed explorable areas which we are limited to was part of its charm. I rather enjoyed this quest chain made double digit Rotwing Recurves (anet might consider nerfing that particular ability as the economy might be affected by the ability to solo Rotscale(can you imagine soloing Rotscale as a bounty whilst being Thackeray in a repeatable quest?) Rogueonion 07:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

the economy wont be affected by being able to potentially solo rotscale, no one asks specifically for his weapon in trade anymore and eles soloing imperial sanctum give more zaishen coins, and that doesnt effect econemy eitherSpark-TBa 13:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

WiK Quests

Had several people saying they couldn't take new war in kryta quests since the update. Force 01:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

dunno how to start the damn thing so.. I can't help Zachariah Zuan. 01:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Zinn's Trial used to be the first quest to start WiK I dunno about now. Rogueonion 01:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Go to the eye of the north and walk outside and click on the ebon scout. Then go and see if the arrow is there.Wasga 01:30, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I see no scout. Just a dwarf dude. --Lotus 02:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, should we add the new steps of WiK to the wiki? --~~Lotus~~ 02:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

no lets act as though it never happened...PLEASE DO i'm wondering outside EOTN so long I found a Jiggle Bear and Moa Zachariah Zuan. 02:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Figured out. Go into the HoM and wait until Gwen starts crying. --~~Lotus~~ 02:19, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

but she always cries..when do i know which is right (thanks btw) Zachariah Zuan. 02:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Np. Idk if there is a way to tell if it worked inside the HoM. I just know if it worked the dude is there.

oh nevemind I found out what to do, I'm trying to start the HotN quests XD my mistake thanks anyway Zachariah Zuan. 02:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Gz Anet

way to do a major pve update on a HA weekend.

no, seriously, keeps the idiots(pvers) out of HA.

But, fire the idiot who doesn't know how to balance pvp skills.

Yours, Heal Party

Rolain1 02:01, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Nobody cares about crappy pvp lol. Rogueonion 02:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Read:HA. Trololololo Mango 02:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

i'm sure you GvGers will def appreciate the update though. Oh wait. back to pve scrubs. if you dont play the format, don't comment.Rolain1 02:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Shut the fuck up. No one cares what you think. be damn grateful for what people do for you, ala the developers. I'm sick of seeing 5 year old wankers crying whenever they don't get their candy, or in this case, a PvP update.

Oh and QQ some more. You had a bloody PvP update LAST WEEK. Sometimes, it really does amaze me how people can be so damn selfish and arrogant.

Sign your comments. And whilst i do notice we had a PvP update last week, the point I, and everyone else who doesn't only GvG am trying to make is that the skill balancers are idiots. Oh yes, also, I paid for the games and expansion. I'm entitled to yell on this wiki about what I think is a waste of my money going to Anet. Rolain1 02:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Furthermore, because you don't seem to understand why heal party is a viable skill or why nerfing it in all formats is a Bad Idea, It's about as useful in PvP as Save Yourselves! is in PvE for dealing with pressure. Want Sy and TnTF nerfed too?. Rolain1 02:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Blood Red Giant Mani Mortus 03:01, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, "SY!" should be nerfed, it's incredibly abused. --Mora 03:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) "Oh yes, also, I paid for the games and expansion. I'm entitled to yell on this wiki about what I think is a waste of my money going to Anet." Technically, you paid for the original version of the game, which unless you brought the games within a week, you probably never experienced. You never paid for the changes and updates in game. You didn't pay for Codex Arena, you didn't pay for occasional skill balances (good or bad), you didn't pay for anything but the very original version of the game. Anet doesn't owe you anything. You got what you paid for, and then some. Also, I do believe that on most of the boxes, or perhaps its in the manuals, it says that the game is subject to change over the course of playing. :P -- Konig/talk 03:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Rolain shut the hell up. if you get to complain because you paid SO DO I. the world DOES NOT revolve around you. Rogueonion 03:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, guys. Be civil. — Raine Valen 3:09, 19 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Raine, Rogueonion 03:10, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

NPA. Also, go ahead and complain, who's stopping you? All I'm saying in the post is that a) releasing a major PvE update on what is ostensibly a PvP weekend seems a little stupid on Anet's part. I'm also saying that they are Terrible at Skill Balance. Also, i'm entitled to do so under the rules of this wiki, and your opinion on me qqing has absolutely no relevance on the skill update page. take it to my user talk. Rolain1 03:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

You're not "entitled" to anything. Posting here is a privilege, not a right. The weekend bonuses are most likely automated, so complaining about the timing is pointless. elix Omni 03:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

=D. nah I have morals and ethics. I don't attack people that way. Rogueonion 03:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

"releasing a major PvE update on what is ostensibly a PvP weekend seems a little stupid on Anet's part." 1) it's not the weekend yet, technically (especially for Anet's time). 2) The content is not going anywhere so those who would do PvP over PvE but want to do the PvE content can do both without hassle. 3) Why's that an issue at all anyways? -- Konig/talk 03:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

They should have waited until next week... wait, that's Thanksgiving, people would be focused on that. Wait until after that.. no, another PvP weekend. After that.. nope, another PvP weekend. After that for sure... nope, Wintersday. After that.. another PvP. After that..? Finally a PvE-only based weekend event to add a PvE-based content update. They should have waited 6 weeks and put up with all of the QQ'ing everywhere about how it's been so long since an update. /sarcasm --Mora 03:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Automated systems cannot be modified because they carve the code into diamonds. — Raine Valen 3:35, 19 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Though Rolain I do agree with you on one thing, this last update was a big WTF for me, I mean if Empathy needed a nerf from a level 20 player how much MORE does it need to be nerfed for a level 30 PVE foe? Just curious why they did not see that logic when they nerfed it for PVP. perhaps a TK member can comment on this? Rogueonion 04:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

And what about us PvE players that have nothing to do on these ostensibly PvP weekends? We just sit around and twiddle our thumbs? Give it a rest. -- Wyn talk 04:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

"Nobody cares about crappy pvp lol."

This is a highly ignorant statement, considering the last update was a PvP update. Obviously, enough people care about it that Anet puts time into maintaining it. I think you mean to say you don't care about pvp. Unfortunately, Rogueonion, the world does not revolve around you.

"if Empathy needed a nerf from a level 20 player how much MORE does it need to be nerfed for a level 30 PVE foe? Just curious why they did not see that logic"

What logic is this? That we should nerf every skill that's good on monsters too? If you're fighting level 30 monsters with empathy, that means you're in hard mode. I hate to tell you this, but hard mode. . . it's supposed to be hard. Empathy stayed more powerful in pve because pve is not pvp. In PvE, things are supposed to die very quickly, and Empathy makes that happen. That's not what PvP is about. ~Shard 05:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

LOL Shard I am beginning to like you. You have no grasp of the sarcasm I was putting out. He made a rude comment first, I was just trying to put into his perspective that WE who play PVE do not really care about PVP either. So he had a full understanding that his way is NOT the only way. You of course grasped his opinion and in yours pve sucks, that is ok too. There are plenty of us who care about PVE and Yes I agree there are plenty of you who Care about PVP. Thanks, but I don't think that empathy being uber spammed by a HM foe is in any way fun, in fact it is so incredibly NOT fun (due to its OVERPOWERED STATE) that I would rather gouge my eyes out than play HM. However I said it elsewhere I will say it here again in case you missed it before. THEY DO need to go back and rethink that mesmer update in regards to Physical players as the anti-phys skills are ENTIRELY too powerful due to the ability to spam them which is granted to higher level monsters through the FC attribute/HM bonus that foes receive combo. Rogueonion 06:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Just like moderates in politics, people who enjoy both pvp and pve remain silently amused at your hyperpartisan gum-flapping contest. elix Omni 06:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Nerf gums. -Auron 06:55, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Way to call NPA's right after you called a mere 90% of the Guild Wars player base idiots, Rolain. You show real style. --Adul 13:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC) seeing as they didn't even get it right, they could have waited for after the mat. --129.161.204.128 13:58, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

This is all very amusing. Almost as if the wiki was a forum, or something. RazoR39999 16:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

@ Adul, in my defence, I wasn't being personal, my comments were directed at quite a lot of people. Rolain1 22:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

@ Mora. Why nerf "SY!"? So Ritualists can take the spotlight in DoA as the only profession mitigating and decreasing party-wide pressure and damage? And also just from the simple cast of a ridiculous Spirit? Yeah right. Ritualists have enough going for them. I say keep "SY!" the way it is. The way Paragons remain broken in PvE, Imbagon is the only thing getting them into PuG groups. (and I meant generally, not 100%, which means nobody should reply with not really ardan, see... ty) Ardangoeswiki 20:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

My original post about hypothetically nerfing SY was to draw comparisons between Heal Party as a pressure mitigating spell in HA and compare it to the ubiquity of SY in Hard Mode pve. This was purely to explain to PvErs why people complain about skill balancing. Not to get into an argument about how to best beat not very challenging AI with broken skills that hasn't changed in years and likely never will. Rolain1 23:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh I'm well aware. But I wasn't responding to you. So ty. Ardangoeswiki 00:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Murro in Lions arch offers "The War In Kryta Quest" for ppl that havent finished battle for lions arch

Costumes?

I cannot find any difference between the male dapper and formal tuxedos -.- Please tell me i'm not the only one that can't find a single difference besides the hat?

I spent 5 minutes trying to find the difference. From the pictures there is absolutely no difference in the male suits. I'm not going to buy them just to find out if there is a difference though. My character wouldn't look good in a tux anyway!

I didn't see any and a bit annoyed by it, took the deal to get them all thinking they'd all be different but it honestly looks like the males just get two costumes. :(

There's only 5 costumes total - 3 female, 2 male. -- Konig/talk 03:30, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't remember which one is which, but one of them looks like the hat is slightly shorter. Also, compare the shoulders and the waist with eachother. One of them has gold plates on shoulder and the same one has a gold loop around the waist. Other one doesn't. Pretty stupid difference. Daeheru 03:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Females actually get four types: Finery, Formal, Wedding Dress itself and Dapper Tux >_> Really lucking out as male characters.

Nope, only three for women, two for men, as stated above. For formal wear, men generally stay in the background, with only the groom standing slightly out. We leave it up to the women to shine, especially for weddings. G R E E N E R 04:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, GREENER. Rogueonion 04:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh boy anet is releasing a reskinned costume in the same update that the original costume came out, and it costs $7. So suprised. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 05:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Any chance of a costume maker in the guild hall - also I have been waiting for a top hat in the game for ages but this one is not very good because of the hair. I want to be able to wear a top hat on a female character but keep my long flowing BLACK hair.

November 19th

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Battle for Lion's Arch is now easier? laaame... Seriously, that mission WAS very hard and it was what made it so special, every time I did it I was sitting on the end of the chair and had my heart pumping all the way in fifth gear. Haven't tried it now but it feels to me that it'll just become another mission among the dozens GW has to offer. The feeling of accomplishment after finishing BFLA was without equal u.u - VileLasagna 00:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, just do it on HM. --Musha 04:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) If it's how it was when I was testing it as part of the TK, it's not that much easier. The difficulty was reduced in order to allow people to get to the new Keiran content, since that's necessary to be beaten. Previously it was the end of the chapter, I suppose. -- Konig/talk 04:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I've completed it on 5 characters the way it was. While it wasn't simple, and we had many false starts, it was possible to do it with as little as 2 people and 4 heroes. I don't know why they feel they had to dumb it down. That's really disappointing. -- Wyn talk 04:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I am guessing because some players would rather use h/h teams and Henchmen in that outpost for that huge of an undertaking were totally inadequate to the situation. Rogueonion 04:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Still impossible for a warrior. Awesome update. (...waiting for the wicked L2PLY advice) Ghosst • Talk •

I did it with Warrior, but I won't tell you that. Things can get frustrating. While it probably can be considered easier than before, it's still not a cake walk imo. What it appears like to me is that they basically split up the final bosses/final wave - which was the most difficult part. It does still have some challenge to it. Clobimon Craiggy 06:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Finally, easier Bfla! I so happy DemonicFahrir 11:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I did it 10 times all together, and not once would I call it hard. Just appropriate. RazoR39999 16:56, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, I see many people complaining about this being too hard for warriors. Well, you're not supposed to have a party of 6 warrior for this.. or any other mission really. And whenever I did it, the warriors I had on my team were instrumental to our success - VileLasagna 17:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I had the easiest time doing this on my melee characters. I ended up using a melee build for my ranger as well, because it's easier to both bottleneck and pew pew them at the stairs as melee. RazoR39999 17:10, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

As always, awesome advice. It's just annoying when you make it all the way to the end, spend 45 minutes only to find out the enemy monk has unlimited energy and despite 6 human players battling him for 10 minutes straight you've done exactly "0" damage. And I love the well thought-out comment of 6 warriors - I think I lost brain cells reading that pile of crap. Honestly, when does anyone even take a warrior henchmen or hero unless it's a requirement. Unfortunately, we can't share builds because some elitist ass will cry Nerf! and the developer will go, oh yeah, warriors need to take it in the ass again! I can handle the tanking without a problem, I'm always the last one standing, but when you can't do damage all you can do is watch Salma die. While the reading comphrension here is poor, perhaps someone will see that we like the challenge and the intensity, but a Mursaat should not be harder to kill than a God. Ghosst • Talk •

Well this I have been saying for ages man, and you are right they do for some reason like to kill everything a war can do and I never see wars doing the "high dmg" that everyone says they can do (this is because of all the nerfs and all the shutdowns that mesmers cause as well (I mean I am without adrenaline and energy for like every fight that includes a mesmer, so all I get to do is stand there and take the dmg from all the foes (you know overpowered empathy? and overpowered clumsiness with the shutdowns these skills being spammed insure that this is true). I mean if it was just ONE mesmer in an area but NO these freaking things travel in PACKS of like 5+ because they are mesmers so lets GIVE them SPAMMABLE skills and lets MAKE those skills do MASSIVE dmg. Yea ok I still think ANET needs to pull their head outta their collective ass' and stop letting PVP players decide how PVE players play. Rogueonion 18:46, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Or you load up a decent bar (or just whirlwind attack), put splinter on one of your heroes (or if pugging ask a player to bring it), prot spirit on another and explode everything in that easy quest. RazoR39999 19:19, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

That is all find and good Razor, but if you got no nrg or adrenaline due to mesmer shutdowns you are just a standing target=D Rogueonion 19:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Panic, minions, hex removals, plus only empathy is a problem, clumsiness to a smaller degree. Either way, the mesmers aren't the main issue in those groups, it's the inherent toughness of Jade and Mursaat mobs.RazoR39999 19:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes but, with the mesmer buffs making hexes spammable for foes hex removal is no longer upto the task of what it should be able to do. Rogueonion 20:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Did BFLA on 18 toons (2 warriors). As warrior I used 100b tank hybrid and led the group both times. Great fun! Party composition was important. It has been awhile, but I probably chose sos rit, healer/seed monk, panic mesmer, curse/mm hybrid nec, and dmg ele. Try to get the most out of the friendly npc's. With 1 of the warriors an ele rage quit ("NPC's suck!" disconnect) because I was doing things like saving the archers and positioning the fight among our npc's. We did fine without the ele. There is 1 hex heavy enemy group. So do not whirl if empathy and insidious parasite are stacked on you. The last enemy group doesn't even attack Salma. I never had a problem with that monk ever. The only problem group was the first heavy jade cloak/perfected group. That part is a little frantic and requires that people are on the ball. 184.36.150.233 20:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Lol, seeing as mesmers look so evident I might point one or two persons in the general direction of Expel Hexes, among others. And I personally always have a warrior henchie or hero, pretty much don't leave home without Devona. Also: If you can't deal damage as a war you're probably doing it wrong, because they DO still kick ass and I never cease to be surprised whenever I play mine - VileLasagna 20:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Vile while I get what you are saying, I have to ask, have you NEVER encountered any groups of mesmers that spam Sympathetic Visage then clumsiness on you? Its a nasty combo and literally it keeps a warrior from doing anything other than taking dmg. Rogueonion 20:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes, I have met massed wind riders, they're horrible for everyone, though, as they also have mass cry of frustration. It was what prompted me to go as far as Expel Hexes on a hero, really, since it's overkill for almost everywhere. But to that, I will answer with mass Mursaat Mesmers on Ice Floe, and THEIR game is spamming Power Leak on your monks. Horrible = very yes. Generally speaking, most of the places I have trouble with, I do so because said places have troublesome mesmers - VileLasagna 21:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hex removals are fine when paired with panic. And the only really tough group (because it has very good AoE damage) is the Perfected Aegis one. RazoR39999 20:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Every other class is ridiculously easy in GW, it's only warrior's that are a challenge at all; probably the reason I like mine the most. But you have a choice (other than vaguely hinting at some random build (oh hai, I take a 100b hybrid - yeah wicked advice right there, umm 1/8 skills, tks)), you're a tank or a damage dealer. I can make it through the battle as either, it's only the ending that's pointless. It's the elitism of PuGs and PvP that turns most people away from GW; when the devs jump on that same ship ("Imma kill people hehehehe" for a quote) it just puts a nail in that coffin. Either way, it was only a vent, I expect 0 help, pretty much what I've seen displayed anyways. Ghosst • Talk •

There's challenge in every class (maybe other than necro), but to the point of BLA - as melee you're both a damage dealer and tank at the same time for this particular quest. You don't even need any defensive skills (maybe just IAU) as long as you manually cast Prot Spirit from your hero (and SoA if you brought it) on yourself before the mobs coalesce near the stairs. Flag the heroes just a bit beyond the edge of your aggro circle and once the first melee mobs start hitting you, go to town on them, just don't move. The archers and Ebon Falcons also help greatly, so put Life and Rejuvenation on one of the heroes (probably the same one bringing Splinter Weapon) so there's some passive AoE healing for them as well. If you're gonna use any cons (not really needed unless you're bringing in a full hero/henchman team, and not even essential then), Grail of Might is usually enough, but you can pop all 3. RazoR39999 22:14, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

(reset indent) I haven't found a challenge in any class except for warriors - they're dervishes without benefits from enchants, no energy regen, and totally dependant on adrenaline which can be shutdown is seconds. Look at Mano-O-Norn-O; just bind him and he's useless. Blind a dervish, their enchants will still cripple, cut, blind, or worse and removing them just makes the dervish healed and full of energy. Really, warriors are brutal to play, but still do-able. But back onto the topic ... if you are that good, run people through this mission for 100K - I'll bet if you can actually do it, you'll have 1000K plus by the end of the day. Ghosst • Talk •

I'm willing to bet that a 600-based strategy (duo, trio, or four-man) can do it in HM. I haven't tried it, since I haven't done any of the WiK, but I bet it's runnable. I don't think anyone would pay 100k for it, though. — Raine Valen 1:03, 20 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Actually, after looking at it, it'd be tougher than I thought. The combination of WotP, ints, weakness (fucks up SoA), Shattering Assault and Reaper's Sweep, and dev hammer make it... difficult. One option would be to take the Slaver's approach, and drain the mobs' energy with Visage (thus preventing WotP and dangerous attack skills, if done properly) under Mantra of Resolve before wiping the mobs via dual spirit turrets and/or HW/Famine, and eventually EoE. Only thing is that it would require 4 players, at the very least (600, QZ, spirits), meaning that the gains would have to be split. — Raine Valen 1:31, 20 Nov 2010 (UTC)

People pay 100K for the weapons for a reason... Ghosst • Talk •

Seriously lame. I just did it with a balanced team (UA monk, MM, Nuker, SoS, Sin, and Panic) and it was a joke. There should be SOMETHING that's hard to do, right? Wombatt 02:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Again, that advice is worthless to warriors. Tks. Ghosst • Talk •

Welcome to a game where only bad players remain. InfestedHydralisk 03:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Ghosst hit me up in game my name is > Rogueonion 03:44, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, Ghosst, allegedly you've been playing for three years now, so maybe you're expected to be kinda past the level where we need to tell you things like "Don't bring orison as a self heal in your bar, it's not worth it". So man up, stop sucking, find some friends and do some warrior stuff. in Wombatt's team the sin is almost certainly a tank, for instance and it just happens that warriors can tank very well too, you know, for one. And when I did it, before the introduction of lame to this quest, I had a 100B in one occasion and 2 on the other, and those guys where essential both runs. So yeah... stop sucking and go actually work some builds out - VileLasagna 12:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Crap, there goes my echo-mending hamstorm uber build... Ghosst • Talk •

lol@Hydralisk. I know right? I agree. Ardangoeswiki 20:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately for the elitists, I found a way to run it as a warrior, I'll add it later to BfLA talk page. Thanks for the giggles though, PvPers who talk but not act are always amusing. Guess the "put your money where your mouth is", was too much for them to handle (insert massive shock here). At name calling though, you guys rock! Ghosst • Talk •

"Unfortunately for the elitists, I found a way to run it as a warrior"... and yet our whole point was that it was perfectly doable in the first place? self troll much? - VileLasagna 21:29, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

War in Kryta Quest Bug?

Several people in my alliance were complaining tonight that, after the update, they could not receive further quests in the main WiK quest line. Specifically, they couldn't get "A little Help from above." I myself just tried to get it (finished Riverside Assassination on a char that had it in quest log BEFORE the update, took the reward for it) and Salma will not offer any further quests. I rezoned several times with no change. Am I missing something? Or is this a bug possibly introduced by the update? Captain Bulldozer 04:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

You are not the only one. There is a thread on Guild Wars Guru about this subject. Game Bugs Thread --Unlucky Slayer 05:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Definitely bugged. Before the update, I had completed only one of the "Wanted: Inquisitor X" quests, and had the other two in my log, and completed them after I logged in. After that, Salma wasn't offering any quests. I figured I had missed something. Went back to Eye of the North, went outside and saw the scene with Evennia and the Ebon Vanguard, so I figured that was it. Watched the scene. Went back to Lion's Arch Keep, saw the Ebon Vanguard and Princess Salma scene. Still no quests. Went back to the Shining Blade camp, nothing. Wandering around Lion's Arch I found the guy offering the "War in Kryta" quest, which I picked up. It told me I had to do the Inquisitor quests. Went back in the keep, no quests. I already did them, but I don't get credit for it, but I can't redo them to get credit.  :-/ Daedelus 05:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

They still dont work :(

Same here - My necro "Clatu Verata Nikkel" is stuck without having completed the three inquisitors wanted quests. I'm not sure if I accepted them or not, but they are no longer in my quest window, and they do not show up at the wanted podium. Please fix!!!

"Clatu Verata Nikkel" is still stuck in WiK after Friday's update (11/19/2010)

Truth

You shove Keiran into the story, he has absolutely nothing to do with anything in the world. You kill off Langmar who has infinitely more plot significance and has more to do with Gwen's storyline, not too mention Gwen has now completely disrespected the sacrifice she made. Now you propose that your female character can only be a heroic savior of Ascalon and establish Ebonhawk if she gets married to your useless and irrelevant character Keiran. Oh and now you want us all to see how tragic Keiran's story is because you want everyone to like him or something. Arena Net, you are destroying Guild Wars. Please halt all work on it and file for bankruptcy or something. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 05:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I really do not get you. You complain about new characters, yet Langmar was a new character. There's a reason given why Thackeray wasn't around in EN (along with the Ebon Falcons), though it seems no one who's found it has placed it up on the wiki yet (hint: It's part of The War in Kryta). He is not irrelevant, he is not useless. Sure, he was originally put in haphazardly, but he now has about as much exposition as Devona, Eve, Aidan, and Cynn (not really Mhenlo though), if not more so for Eve. You've been singing the same song so long, it has become a noise. Your reasoning for hating new content is flawed. You just wanted Gwen for yourself, admit it. -- Konig/talk 05:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

It's like the only reason you play Guild Wars is to find something to complain about. --Musha 05:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

He's a bit right about Gwen only being useful as a genetic vessel though. elix Omni 05:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

"You shove Keiran into the story, he has absolutely nothing to do with anything in the world." Really? Nothing to do with anything? I'm pretty sure his descendant is a pretty important character in Guild Wars 2. But yeah, you're right, that's stupid. Why would they want to add new story content to Guild Wars to help bridge the gap between the games? What a terrible idea. - Daedelus 06:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

DOOOM! Rogueonion 06:20, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

No langmar is what you call a good character. Remember how we learned what happened to Gwen after her child-hood? She evaded the Charr, found the camp, was taken in by Langmar and her tragic story continued. There was an actual meaningful relationship. But no, we get... HURPDURP MY NAME IS KERIAN, I R SO SPECIAL, NOW PEPLE SAY I AM IMPORTANT BECAUSE I HAS KID IN GW2. The dumb fuck in Destiny's Edge could have been ANYONE, why did it have to be THACKERAY. Now Gwen is a worthless housewife and Langmar is dead. Not only is she dead but she's completely forgotten by Gwen who was too busy being Mary Sue Lover Girl. Fate and love in video games are as fucking boring as zombies. And no I don't "want Gwen to myself." I want a team that can write without hoping everyone believes in the main characters that don't even exist outside of an early short-story for Prophecies. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 06:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh and GW2, what a joy that will be, headed and funded by NCSoft the nice people who also funded crap like Lineage and Aion. Enjoy your transmutation stones and empty rhetoric about cash-shop-philosophy from whatever-his-name-is, Flannum or something. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 06:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Langmar has less exposition and story to her than Justiciar Thommis. And just lol @ "headed and funded by NCSoft". Just lol. Also lol @ "Gwen is a worthless housewife" considering she is the captain of the Ebon Vanguard, not to mention she fortified Ebonhawke which allowed it to withstand consistent sieges for 250 years (all her), and I bet you just keep blocking out her title of The Goremonger. She's a hero to humans in GW2's time, and a war villain to the charr. Worthless, eh? -- Konig/talk

Yeah, she solo-tanked at the gate of Ebonhawke for 250 years. elix Omni 06:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe somebody wanted Gwen to marry Langmar. Bit tricky to get kids out of that though. -- Sirius (talk) 07:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

@aliceandsven: that's some epic-level anger and butthurt there. Especially since the term 'Mary Sue' is being thrown around without actually knowing what that means. Just because you seem to strongly dislike the storyline doesn't mean we all hate it. In all reality, we get more backstory on Anton than we do Langmar. Elysea 08:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Anton: carries three swords for his family, his village, and his honour after they were killed when the Charr betrayed a deal he made with them. Good story. Gwen: suffered slavery, rebellion, and now is a captain. Good story. Thackery: comes out the woodwork and is fighting for a better tomorrow while trying to heal the emotional damage his fellow soldiers suffer from, and trying to woo Gwen because she's his one focus on a better tomorrow. Good story. Langmar: sent up north and founded the Ebon vanguard, we saved her, she sent us on a couple of missions, and yet we still don't know how she lost her eye, any relatives, what was she before the war, who was her predecessor, and where did she get her spiffy armour? (along with the rest of the Ebon Vanguard, it's MUCH better quality than the Ascalonians in Ascalon and Kryta and yet the EV are behind enemy lines). Gotta say... Langmar isn't really a big contributor or chapter in the overall storyline of Guild Wars.68.144.77.185 08:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Who's to say Langmar is dead? We were to assume Thackeray was dead, of course with no corpse to show for it. He's obviously going to come back so he can get it on with tsundere Gwen and make at least one baby. Langmar, too, could 'come back' from the dead, because her buried ashes we don't really get to see for ourselves. Those could prove to be someone else's, and Thackeray is just covering up for her escape. Ifm2181 11:30, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

We were never to assume Thackeray was dead, they said he might have been. A fresh shallow grave was found with Langmar's corpse. She's dead. -- Konig/talk 11:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

""On the very north side of the lake, we found a fresh shallow grave that we believe holds the remains of Captain Langmar."" Nothing conclusive, although I do believe they are right. --Manassas 12:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Here's what i expect: Miku is a sin, Miku is traveling with Thackeray, the new stuff is going to be in Cantha, sins are from Cantha, they said the wedding will bridge into the Cantha stuff, they gave Thackeray and Miku new skills. Thackeray and Miku are gonna meet you and travel to Cantha and resolve whatever conflict is there. They will travel with you as really awsome allies. Miku might also be the new promised Hero. 173.32.190.24 13:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

@Alice or Sven: Feeling important do you? I don't think you are even able to do it better. Thereby, ArenaNet knows how to write a good story, deal with it or cry in a corner. -- Cyan 15:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I also agree that Langmar was much more "juicy" in terms of content than Thackeray, although for me Little Mouse lost its shine after the fall of Ascalon and her greatest achievement in Eye of the North was providing Pyre with opportunities to be awesome (which he made very good use of). But aNet HAS doe worse. War in Kryta is a very very bad joke in terms of content, really. Both from the mantle side, who degenrated from the saviours of Kryta to fourth rate villains who eat babies from breakfast as well as from the Shining Blade, led by this entirely random figure, Salma, who aNet thinks we should give a shit about. Except Kryta is backwater to the middle of nowhere and Salma's only real value is giving out "Hallable" quest rewards through medals and gifts. Yes this is kinda bad and lame but we players have been through much much worse when we took our heads out of mindlessly farming ectos and found the scenario being forcibly brought to collapse to conform to ill generated content that does not fit an already well stablished and developed environment - VileLasagna 16:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Alice, let her go. Believe me, I know it's hard - I used to be where you are, and the only reason one would get this upset about this story is because one wanted to have their own character with Gwen instead of the one Anet's given us. I'll admit I didn't like Kieran at first, but he's come along a bit over the past year, and even more so now with the new content. Growing up, as it were. So I'm fine with him being with Gwen, and you should be, too. Find someone else for your character to be with, it isn't that hard. Holding onto this is just going to twist you in knots over what is ultimately nothing.

That aside, I was wondering if anyone could explain what Konig meant about Kieran's initial absence in EotN being explained in WiK, as I don't remember it. But I might have just missed it when I went through. Thanks! --Nathe 16:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I actually think the opposite - Keiran is the one who's somewhat interesting and should dump the emo, cold, boring Gwen and go with Miku. She's FTW. RazoR39999 17:01, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Bugs

Bugs, feel free to edit this to fit your "style".

- In the Hall of Monuments Gwen will gladly give you as many Keiran's Bows as you ask for and when you get to a full inventory, there is no indication that you can no longer get one. No error message is shown, like "Your inventory is full." or similar.

Is it just me or is complaining about this bug kind of like going to the doctor, poking yourself in the eye, and then telling the doctor it hurts when you do it? I mean, it's a good thing to tell Anet about bugs, but why the H.E. Double hockey-sticks, would you want to keep asking Gwen for Keiran's bow, enough so that you fill your inventory? Just curious.

- Poisonous water in Majesty's Rest is no longer poisonous.
- Even if the world has favor, kneeling at the Statue of Balthazar in Majesty's Rest does nothing.

After the update, Wanted: Inquisitor Lashona became available to me again, even though I had finished BFLA. However, once I completed it, I could not turn it in and get a reward for it. Salma did not have a quest reward icon, nor did she provide the reward dialogue.Moiax 17:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

No anet said miku IS NOT the new hero

we know... --The Holy Dragons 21:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

To the Dev/Localization team : Language issues

Hi, being a localization engineer myself, I cannot help but wanting to resolve this.
These issues seem more and more common as new content is added, here's a little list of what I have spotted so far:
(Oh yes, btw, this is for French, I have no idea about the other languages)

- In Jade Quarry: "...nous ennemis..." instead of "...nos ennemis" -> personal pronoun instead of a possessive (think: 'we' instead of 'our')
- In Underworld: All of Frozenwind dialog regarding the Nightman is still in English
- In Underworld: Dhuum speaks both French and English (for all the good that does him XD), something along the lines of "You cannot defeat death" and "Dhuum rit de vos efforts"
- Hearts of the North: well, I can't say that all the content is in English but let's face it: 99% is.
I mean quest names, questbook entries, dialogs, everything. (though the first mission button when we talk to the pool is localized, as well as Kieran's skill and weapon).

I know what you guys are going through, well at least as far as localization goes, and you've done a terrific job so far, but please look into this. As you can notice, I have absolutely no problem with English, but it's ruining the experience for many of my guildies who only speak French and who are rushing through without understanding what's going on.
Ps: I can't wait to see Gwen in her wedding dress <3<3<3<3 Great content you gave us here ^_^
Pps: If screenshots are needed, or if you know where I can report this matter so it's resolved faster, feel free to answer here or on my talk page.
Meredy Redleaf 09:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Tu peux poster les problèmes de localisation ici, il y a aussi la page de discussion de Stéphane Lo Presti mais mieux vaut poster sur la page des erreurs de traduc. Le problème c'est que parfois ils mettent TRÈS longtemps à corriger ou ne corrigent jamais (l'invocation de marchand est toujours nommée marchande) voir même corrigent mal :/ Jaxom 10:10, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Pour le marchande (mmm j'aime ^^), c'est un peu mineur, on comprend facilement ce que c'est.
Mais ici, il n'y a pas de traduction, même mauvaise... XD
Enfin, merci pour le lien, je vais aller poster de ce pas. Meredy Redleaf 10:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Espérons qu'il y ait un effort pour GW2. C'est bien pour eux qu'ils fassent sous traiter la traduction mais les sociétés pourraient faire un effort : c'est pas tous les jours que y a du nouveau contenu... Joeyw 10:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Attention, travaillant précisement dans cette branche, je peux en parler : il faut se méfier dans le secteur de la traduction.
En effet, la faute n'incombe pas au seul traducteur, même si celui-ci rend une traduction erronée, il est à la charge du client (ici Anet), de les relire/faire relire.
J'insère et je compile personellement des traductions dans des documents divers et variés (du manuel pour tondeuse aux dépliants publicitaires de Dell), et jamais je n'accepterai d'insérer une traduction que je sais incorrecte. Là aussi, il faudrait savoir où et par qui sont faites les traductions, à savoir qu'un traducteur ne travaille normalement que vers sa langue natale.(Se méfier des traductions made in China ou India, certes moins chères, mais arghhh !)
Ici, en fait, aucune traduction n'a été effectuée (vu que ce ne sont ni des fautes d'orthographe ou de grammaire) ; ou alors, c'est pire : ils n'ont pas inclus les bons fichiers de langue dans le build de l'update.
Je penche plutôt pour cette option (qu'elle soit dûe à un manque de temps ou de moyen), vu que tout le reste du contenu est globalement plutôt bien traduit.
Meredy Redleaf 13:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

God, that's a beautiful language. Blood Red Giant Mani Mortus 13:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I find myself more attracted to Italian. (Yet again, I'm a French native, so probably biased ^^) Meredy Redleaf 14:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Mortus, isn't it ? Sinon es traducteurs d'Anet ne sont pas au courant du contexte. Ils traduisent sans savoir pour quoi ce sera. Joeyw 14:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Comme dans 99% des cas. Toujours est'il qu'ici, on a pas de traduction du tout. Et c'est bien dommage, j'adore jouer les snipers. H-H-H-HEADSHOT!!!
(Je peux me permettre de choper l'expression d'Unreal, vu qu'ils n'ont pas eu peur de l'utiliser pour le calculateur ^^)
Meredy Redleaf 14:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Also the Italian translation is not present. Erebo85 16:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

English is the lingua franca of internet, I'm amazed at people playing online games, without having some basic knowledge of English.RazoR39999 17:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, but some people prefer to have the games in their native language and that is fine too. That is a relatively distant topic to me, though, since localizations to MY native language have left me with many a trauma and nowadays I very much prefer English whenever we're talking about computers, games and other "digital and electronic" subjects, avoiding localized content like it's the plague - VileLasagna 17:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Isn't this in the wrong spot? I know when I put something in the wrong spot I got trolled by the "wiki clique" so be warned you might get trolled for putting this in the wrong spot. That is of course unless you are one of the only 5 people who know how to play this game. Rogueonion 17:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, the people you want to look at this will probably not get it here. But at Feedback:Localization bugs you have a better chance. --JonTheMon 18:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Note that the first reply already explained to go to the localization bug page, and the second reply acknowledged it. - Tanetris 04:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Barbed Signet

Seriously? I mean, like, really? — Raine Valen 22:09, 19 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Wrong update page? InfestedHydralisk 22:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

No. — Raine Valen 22:21, 19 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Oh that. Wtf. InfestedHydralisk 22:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Lol, guys, just.. just don't even rage anymore. Just expect these things in silence. →[ »Halogod (talk)« ]← 17:06, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

If someone bleeds in the forest, but there is no one around to cast Barbed Signet, does the bleeding individual make a sound? 68.193.122.145 20:10, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

It's working fine for me. Am I missing something? (http://yfrog.com/ghgw050j) --Mora 20:52, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember

Remember when Arena Net actually gave YOU money for playing their game? Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember when ANET didn't realize they couldn't build on a flawed system of expansion packs, and weren't working on a better game? — Skakid 20:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Lol, another rage. -- Cyan 20:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

"better game"

lol'd. — Raine Valen 23:50, 21 Nov 2010 (UTC)

I dunno, GW2 gameplay is shaping to be brilliant. A shame they shat all over the background tho... Whatever was left of decency in the scenario and story has been utterly destroyed u.u - VileLasagna 01:38, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

GW2 PvE gameplay will be better in several ways (and worse in a few others). I really couldn't care less about that, though. — Raine Valen 3:11, 22 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Arguing against that is pretty dumb, Guild Wars 1 is not a fun game. — Skakid 22:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Would you rather be presented with a brick or a brick-sized turd? Neither's particularly great, but one fucking sucks. — Raine Valen 22:50, 22 Nov 2010 (UTC)

That is a trick question, anet wouldn't give you either unless you baught it at the NCSoft store with Paypal. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 18:56, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd rather have a brick. Now, if only I could throw bricks through the Internet...--Zetta 18:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)